So why did Luke Dashjr say "Hashrate is irrelevant at this point"?

I won't pretend to know what his opinion is, I'll just give you mine.

1) Mining isn't decentralized — pools are (allegedly, not really).

Why are pools not decentralized? Because the interests of "rival" countries converge more often than most realize (More context: https://controlplanecapital.com/p/rivalry-between-countries-is-curated ).

Hashrate aggregates into ~5–7 top pools; 2–3 could cross 51% at times.

Miners "vote with feet", but:

- Payout variance pushes them to big pools.

- Pools integrate with regulated fiat ramps and insurers; they may adopt OFAC/blacklist templates to avoid headaches.

Template power: Pools select transactions. If major pools adopt "policy clients" (e.g., template filters, blacklists), settlement becomes steerable — even if blocks remain valid under consensus.

So what? Incentives favor pool compliance with state policy — especially when insurance, utilities, and public listings are involved.

2) Hardware & energy are choke-points (supply-chain centralization)

- ASIC oligopoly. 2–3 manufacturers dominate. Firmware signing, remote management, and replacement cycles create vendor leverage.

- Jurisdictional energy. Large industrial miners rely on permits, grid interconnects, subsidies. In a low Gross Consent Product environment, regulators swap "ideals" for "stability" — conditional access > rights.

- Policy carrot/stick: cheap power for curtailment agreements, transaction policies, ESG attestations; penalties for non-compliant operators.

So what? If you need the grid and the power plant, the power plant owns you, and guess who owns the power plant.

I have just described the current state of mining "decentralization". Of course this could improve/worsen in the future.

Unless mining decentralization improves significantly, increasing hashrate is irrelevant at this point.

As always Monero provides the answer the Bitcoiner is seeking. It's far from being perfect. We know that. But many things are not possoble with Monero or much harder to achieve e.g. censoring the chain. There are not just 2-3 ASIC producers but widely accessible and distributed CPUs. Monero is mined via P2P pool, via botnets (that try to hide instead of complying with states), by adversaries that try to get an edge over the network and a few bigger "home" miners. It's attack surface is much smaller. And last but not least, Monero is not depended on CEX, no one needs insurance for a home miner setup.

I'd say the dependence on CEX and the control of big miner plants are both easy attack vectors.

Yes Bitcoin hashrate is meaningless. it's only not fully attacked because US aligned its interests behind BTC/Tether vs Monero.

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I know Monero solves a lot of Bitcoin's problems and has its own problems.

I already did some research on it.

The main problem Monero has is the vast majority of the population doesn't care about the problems that it solves.

You could make the case that they'll care eventually, but the Controllers would have to make quite a few mistakes for that to happen.

90+% of the world gives 0 fucks about BTC. About how long would the adoption of monero take?

If you define Bitcoin as "freedom money", which is becoming more and more difficult to do, I'd say more than 99.99% of the world doesn't give a fuck about Bitcoin.

And it's not really about giving a fuck because if it is the default, seamless UX, it can still win without people giving a fuck.

But if you make the sovereign path annoying and full of frictions, and the KYC/default path is slick, then users pick comfort.

It's being adopted by those who have use for it. Doesn't have to get adopted by everyone. Same as Bitcoin though people seem to believe that supply being taken out of circulation to get stashed in wall street vaults is actual adoption.