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are you going to claim that an obligatory payment that if you don't pay it they claim the right to put you in a cage is a market transaction, as a charity is?

it's extortion, it's not about the rhetoric, the law term for demanding payment without obligation is "extortion" E X T O R T I O N

it's also technically a breach of Trust in equity law, and prior to the modern liberal SECULAR democratic government system there was decentralized courts and even your padre could be your intermediary in a conflict of claims, the entire system of government now is fraudulent and the simple fact that we now pay effectiveyl upwards of 50% of our income to that corrupt organisation says that it's a scam and that "i pay my taxes" shows you really are swallowing this idea that modern liberal democracies achieve any kind of efficiency at promoting the welfare of people

it doesn't, and it's designed not to, it's designed to enrich the ruling class who hide behind your "representatives" while the representatives tae "donations" to redirect YOUR money to THEIR interests

it doesn't matter whether we are talking about eastern europe or western asia or africa or france or the UK

all governments are mafias, and i don't owe them shit and i will find every way i can to not contribute to their ongoing domination and cruelty to the people, even if the people don't appreciate that, it matters to me

Laeserin 8mo ago

I think governments can obligate you to pay dues, like any organisation you can join, and this is not necessarily and always an injustice, so long as you are free to ask or agitate for redress, or to simply leave, and thereby refuse their governing.

Governments, like all organisations, also face market pressures to reform and maintain attractiveness. They are not outside of, or above, the market. They are simply usually the largest and most-powerful participant within a particular region. The more important thing for me is that governments should be many, small in scope and size, adhere to the principle of subsidiarity, and be focused on protecting the natural rights of the citizenry who finance and support their upkeep.

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Suhail 8mo ago

You don’t join a government

ᴛʜᴇ ᴅᴇᴀᴛʜ ᴏꜰ ᴍʟᴇᴋᴜ 8mo ago

according to their perspective, we are their employees, if you see what the technical name for government laws it is "statutes" and these are the rules governing the employees of a corporation

and all governments are registered corporations, the Queensland government, for example, is registered as the Brigalow Corporation.

their enforcement officers, the police, assume that you are what essentially amounts to being an employee of the state except they don't pay you, i mean, how much more obvious can it be that they consider us their slaves, and that they are a plutocracy?

Laeserin 8mo ago

You join, automatically, under certain conditions.

Otherwise, there could never be a citizenry, as there would be nothing making them distinct from everyone else on the planet.

Citizenry given automatically must then be purposefully renounced, in order to unjoin.

ᴛʜᴇ ᴅᴇᴀᴛʜ ᴏꜰ ᴍʟᴇᴋᴜ 8mo ago

uh, no

i joined the human race, not the Brigalow Corporation

you want to employ me, pay me, or all that i do and not do according to your requests is MY prerogative and i'm not going to accept anything else because i'm not licking boots, i came here, to do my best as a human being, and chew bubblegum

and i'm all outta bubblegum

ᴛʜᴇ ᴅᴇᴀᴛʜ ᴏꜰ ᴍʟᴇᴋᴜ 8mo ago

i never signed up to be a servant of the government. i am sovereign and i will never concede any authority over me beyond that which can be proven in a court to be my liability, and the reality is that i'm already doing my best to do right by my peers, so, in the absence of proof of culpability i refuse to accept this slave role to people who consider themselves to be above me

they are not, they are servants of an organisation that claims it is there to protect me

so if they don't protect me, the whole deal is off, tyvm don't come around to my door i'm not interested in your religion of god-men

Laeserin 8mo ago

People rant at me about it, on here, all the time, and it just makes me more convinced that they are wrong.

Wer schreit, hat Unrecht.