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and because of how stubborn the response was, It's basically pointless to deal with these kind of peoples. They're the one who want to live in a cage and surprisingly they will be the one who gets dragged into "future civilization" first.

Freakoverse 4d ago

Aye, I also find it silly for freedom lovers being stubborn with iOS.

However, from another perspective, specifically from a business/marketing perspective, it's great that they are sacrificing themselves (the app devs) with freedoms and privacy, and dealing with the headaches of Apple, to have their nostr projects be the freedom-trojan horse within iPhones. They probably don't see it that was, as they're just fan-boys/girls of Apple, but that's how I view it anyway x3

For me personally, I'm "oh, you're on iPhone? Well that sucks. My product is not on there because Apple is a massive headache. Here's a PWA for it though, but here are the pros/cons for it, your call. Other than that, if you want more freedom apps, and freedom in general, get off Apple".

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Yonle 4d ago

This kind of solution is what still makes people not going to move away. If that is how you encourage people to move, Let me ask this: Will they move?

the way we treat these users just so we can get users is what makes them still staying on such obnoxious platform, because on their mind, "those developers will still make their app works on my platform anyway" and worst of it is when the same app is only available in the same obnoxious platform.

take a look at the current state of nostr clients for mobile. there's fuck ton of amazing mobile clients developed only for apple devices compared to Android. With that in mind, Answer this: What will android user do when that's the case?

Yeah. They sacrifice their open platform to move to iOS. Good grief.

It's quite ironic. Such open network only able to be enjoyed in such closed platform.

Yonle 4d ago

When we asked them to switch, The result is terrific.

They defend the same disgusting thing that they're against with.

Yonle 4d ago 💬 3

now that the current solution is PWA, it is still considered defending the platform.

yeah. haha.

you guys are doomed to fall since the beginning and i can't believe you did.

Freakoverse 4d ago

Yea I agree that if you give people within a cage comforts from food, good internet, a pc, and so on, they'd want to remain in that cage. If all the good stuff is outside of that cage, then they'd want to leave it to get it.

I guess what must be done is to have people make amazing products, the best products, and have them only accessible on non-caged systems. Though if we're talking about open-source projects, that'll be difficult considering someone can come along and just fork the project and put it up on iOS store.

I guess there's no winning here?

Yonle 4d ago

let's say there's a ffmpeg fork out here that promises to be "memory safe". it's there, but do you think it's still able to kept itself consistent?

there are also fuck ton of people wanting to replace linux, but in the end they ended up using the original instead of the fork.

what do you think?

Yonle 4d ago 💬 2

now say if Damus was on Android Play Store and it has zap button instead of the one that's in Apple's App Store, what do you think people would do?

Freakoverse 4d ago

True. There'll always be desire to get the original and not the copy, as most of the time it's the better version.

And ya in regards to an original on a non-caged system vs a copy in a caged system, there'll always be more and better features with the original on the non-caged system.

So yea, it seems like that is the solution, to just keep building the best apps out there on non-caged systems. For those who want to enjoy its benefits, they'd switch, otherwise they'll stay caged without it or use a low-quality copy by someone else.

Yonle 4d ago

What killed migration before was false kindness. What enables migration is visible inequality.

and damus notedeck will be the ultimate showdown of it.