If books aren’t your thing the author has done many podcast interviews including Rogan. The Rogan episode dropped during the holidays so a lot of people slept on it. If Rogan isn’t your thing he’s been on a bunch of other podcasts as well.

https://open.spotify.com/episode/3ZBdeZLitzqNPBbvv9QIEz?si=w17JXL5RRuqYuBQaFV34HQ