Any hardware wallets that don’t require a computer to load Bitcoin to?

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Why not use an offline computer?

which wallet is recommended for full offline use? Don't the wallets require software on the offline PC that needs to be installed and updated regularly?

You could say the same about any hardware wallet.

this was not meant as an attack, i am a learner and grateful for tips and help

Electrum is a good choice for offline transaction signing.

i'll have a look at that right away. thanks a lot

A lot of work to store Bitcoin. Too many issues to go wrong.

Nothing can go wrong with a hardware wallet?

It cant just die like any other electronic?

It will eventually

Thats my worry. I want to store my BTC and not touch it for 50 years/give it to my kids.

That's what seed phrases are for

So whats the point of the hardware wallet then? Sorry for my ignorance. Can’t I just have a seed phrase to use with any wallet?

Yes you can but you have to generate it from somewhere

This is why "signing device" is a less confusing term. Your seed phrase written on paper is more of a wallet. Metal plates are more reliable for long term storage.

That makes sense. Can I take a seed phrase created in one hardware wallet and input it in another to see and use my BTC or has to be the same wallet that created the seed?

You can use it in any BIP-39 compatible wallet

Ahh i see. I have a concern with that though. Hypothetically what if in the future the government banned BIP- 39 compatible wallets and my original wallet died and I want to buy a new one to replace it but cant anymore? Would I be out of luck having access to my BTC? Im really trying to think ahead of the safest long term storage. I notice Im feeling more and more like I have to spend money just to be able to have access to by BTC safely. That’s unfortunate for the future of BTC adoption.

Spend money on what?

Hardware wallets, computer for wallet software.

Old used computers that can run Linux are thrown away all the time

But in 30-50 years when I want yo spend my bitcoin they wont be lol.

I won't try to speculate on the future cost of hardware

Neither will I. I think a lot of people will be out of luck accessing their BTC in the future unfortunately.

Yes, a lot of people will lose their coins

Newer Nano Xs can work directly over bluetooth with a phone (instead of a desktop/laptop)

paper wallet

Dont you still need computers software to start one?

no

Do you have a guide you know I can follow?

I think there was a guide in Mastering Bitcoin book. Not sure that goes into deriving public key from the generated private key

Thanks I’ll check it out

Coldcard can show address QR codes purely on device.

Wallets don’t hold bitcoin. All bitcoin exists on the blockchain. Wallets hold keys that allow you to send bitcoin from an address you control to another address on on the blockchain.

Probably the better way know how to answer that question is to know what you’re trying to do

I want to store my BTC for use in 30 years to give to my kids. I don’t trust I will have access to a computer or able to manage cold storage properly. The world may be a very different place. I want to prepare for that possibility. Relying on computers to access my BTC in the future doesn’t seem wise to me.