How does that apply to Bitchat though? We can't require new users, people at protests, etc.?

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Can existing #nostr user's WoT not be extended to ephemeral identities like veto/attestation - maybe using something like zero knowledge proof to help Bitchat drive away spam?

making people pay sucks

I never saw anything completely satisfactory, but, payment rates massively convex wrt rate of requests seems like the only completely correct answer. Think surge pricing. That's one a few reasons I narrowed in on utxo ownership tokens, as there is some hard to define rate at which they become absurdly expensive to produce, whereas at low rates they are very close to free.

yup I know about your work and I think it's actually a very cool way of approaching this.

However, requiring people to own bitcoin (whether it's by requiring a payment or proving UTXO ownership) is still a huge barrier to entry for any app with more than a few thousand users. Bitcoin is still very niche. 😢

No argument here. I'm still suspicious of the pure PoW solutions, and also of the ecash solutions, too.

The pure PoW really doesn't work well (we've tried it multipe times). It's much better to use the tokenized form in BTC, which excludes most users from the get go.