That’s great. The main appeal of Apple is convenience within the walled garden. Not trying to convince you to do it, just telling you that’s the β€œneed” for people.

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I get that's why folks do it, it's the main argument I hear. I also suspect most of them have never tried anything else, or if they did they gave up immediately because it was different.

Yea pretty much this.

The whole fam is on Apple. This means we spend time enjoying shared experiences instead of figuring out how to share the experiences.

You do know that we also can share things, right?

Shut the front door!

Yep, share shitty pixelated videos over text because the two platforms don’t play nice (Apple’s fault). The blue bubble loyalty is strong. I have multiple group texts where Android users are silently left off because blue bubble users don’t want to degrade the experience. These are nice people who would never exclude that person from a group conversation in real life.

In these group text cases, no…you can’t share things because you aren’t even in the conversation.

So, essentially the value proposition is you can be part of the elitist club that won't involve you in a conversation, due to Apple's UI making the experience of talking to a non-apple users unpleasant?

Yeah, I'm good πŸ˜‚

Kinda yeah. Not ideal at all.

This is the big reason why Apple isn’t implementing RCS or putting iMessage on Android. They’ve discovered that messaging is the killer feature to get people on the platform. And once you're there, everything else gets an Apple logo for convenience’s sake.

It's great marketing on their end, but I'm happy to have a great messaging experience without a greedy corporation gatekeeping and manipulating me into social classes.

Google's not making RCS part of AOSP either, since THEY want people on Android locked into Messages as a result of carrier incompetency and slow adaptation.

Both can get fucked as far as I'm concerned.

Yeah, I don't use stock messaging apps either. Hell, I barely use sms or mms at all anymore, and very few people I communicate with do either.

I wish I could say that was the case; either I have to text or use fucking WhatsApp.

Ugh...WhatsApp...what a shitcoin πŸ˜‚

Nostr fixes this all the way down. Crack open messaging to be an open platform (like SMS was back in the day) and you’ll remove huge vendor lock-in.

I have lived on Android, BlackBerry, and Nokia. Finally went with the family crowd for the convenience. I really wanna get a Light Phone to cut back on smart phone usage, unrelated to yesterday’s situation.

Was your Android experience 15 years ago? I feel like I have heard this from every iPhone user I speak to "Oh I used to use Android". Man, idk. Any time I've fiddled with an iPhone I feel like my hands are tied.

It was 10 years ago and I didn’t hate it. I know I’d be great on Android, Graphene, or Light. It’s the social pressure to be in the walled garden. And because of that, all of our other home devices have followed suit.

That's definitely what it comes down to, social pressure. Apple is a brand, like Nike or Ralph Lauren. Everyone else is a broke bitch for not buying in, and they don't want to be seen hanging around "the poors" πŸ˜‚

Aside from iMessage and the increasingly deteriorating design guidelines and principles Apple utilizes for both hardware and software, both Android and iOS are on feature parity.

There's no reason to fanboy for either aside from desiring more freedom to do shit on your phone, which Apple makes a bit more difficult compared to Android's sideloading.