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If fixing the money is the goal,

then Bitcoin has a fungibility problem because of its transparency.

We can fix the fungibility “problem” by educating users about KYC vs non-KYC sats, using 2nd layer privacy solutions like Cashu or self custodial lightning or some other future solution to be developed and funding open source base chain privacy solutions like mixers/coinjoins.

Can even leverage other privacy coins like monero!

Again I do not claim bitcoin is perfect but it is our best and I think our only shot to fix the money and shift power away from rent seeking central banks/governments. We have a group of monero retards on here that live in a delusional world and like to bash bitcoin so they can push monero

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Hanshan 1mo ago

educating users will help protect them of course, but it doesn't make UTXOs fungible.

in other words, it doesn't solve the problem.

ecash is custodial

LN is *good enough for now*, but obviously not going to be the solution.

Bitcoiners have no solution for this problem except hand-waving,

as we move every year further and further into institutional adoption and regulatory capture.

but i guess nobody should mention anything about technology that actually solves the issues because its "bashing Bitcoin"??

Meyer 1mo ago

What do you want from us? Do you not know how to read? I just said you can even use monero if you need privacy!

Again you guys like to claim that bitcoin failed but then ignore the problem we are trying to solve here.

Hanshan 1mo ago

This began because you were complaining about the people who are pointing out problems and talking about solutions.

Because "Bitcoin only".

and the "problem" is decentralized censorship-resistant value transfer.

nobody is ignoring that.

Meyer 1mo ago

It’s not pointing out “problems”.

I stated that there are monero retards that constantly troll bitcoiners on here and claim bitcoin failed so they can shill monero. This is objectively true

Sure I am personally bitcoin only but I have repeatedly said in this thread that I don’t care about monero and support your ability to use it if you want. I called out the monero retards on here that live in a delusional fantasy land and claim that bitcoin is a failure which I stand by

You guys are insufferable

Hanshan 1mo ago

Nah

you just don't like people poking holes in your maxi "Bitxoin in inevitable" narrative 👍

Meyer 1mo ago

Keep going!

You guys are insufferable twats and not going to get anyone on your side by attacking us

Good luck with monero!

Hanshan 1mo ago

You do have a point 😅

Hanshan 1mo ago

but to be fair,

the first attack was yours

ede3d957... 1mo ago

We are not attacking any one personally. We are cling out shitty community culture.

As someone who has seen all starting from 2010 I can tell you that early Bitcoin felt pretty much like Monero today. People who would never compromise over their values and call out the enshitification of this beautiful technology.

It's suffering to see how companies fall in line with KYC regulation and the community celebrating it. It's suffering to see how ETFs (that will used to paper price manipulate) are celebrated over self-custody.

It's suffering seeing 99% storing their BTC as IOU on CEX with zero privacy.

It's suffering seeing non-anonymous dev get sentenced to years of jail time for writing code

It's suffering to see that the state mangwd to capture Bitcoin and eradicate adversarial thinking.

If you would have my background you might understand why my home now is Monero while I very much feel with the Bitcoin project.

ede3d957... 1mo ago

When I call out Bitcoiners for promoting BTC, it is mainly because I believe you are endanger noobs that have zero clue about privacy assumptions within BTC.

It's a reflex just like you call everything a shitcoin because supply guarantees are indeed shitty and people will get fleeced.

I agree 99.9% with that asertation.

If you are serious about supply guarantees you should educate people about CEX and ETF. I rarely see that. It's also us Monero Bros who do the education for Bitcoiners because we learned first hand about dirty plays by CEX. Not just the occasional insolvencies but systematic fractional reserves.

Meyer 1mo ago

We do educate people about KYC vs nonKYC and more important than anything else we need to educate about self custody

I appreciate what you guys are doing with monero and think it is very important but I stand by my statement that a lot of you are disingenuous and/or live in a fantasy world about what monero can be and you guys are doing more harm than good when you attack bitcoin and bitcoiners on here.

Let us spread bitcoin adoption and work on fixing the money so we can take power back from the rent seeking parasites currently in control while you guys work on privacy solutions that will be needed when bitcoin becomes the global reserve asset we all know it should be

Hanshan 1mo ago

who's "attacking Bitcoin and Bitcoiners?"

(except nostr:npub1g0atme30l6s65rw6ulq2cqahq9lzmpj0sejhsjcqh0azlyg5cp4qf7gqpz 😂)

Meyer 1mo ago

The monero trolls on here that constantly bash bitcoin and bitcoiners on this platform ha

Hanshan 1mo ago

your feels are not "monero trolls attacking Bitcoin"

receipts or it didn't happen

Hanshan 1mo ago

oh no

what a clearly unprincipled and disingenuous attempt to undermine bitcoin and shill their own bags 🙄

you're making up a conflict where none exists.

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Hanshan 1mo ago

that's what I thought

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