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There’s no such thing as being a bitcoiner beyond some common values about money.

Some are cynical, some relentlessly optimistic, some build, some tear down at every corner, some do both!

Some are libertarians, some are statists, some are confused in between.

Some are Christians, some are Jews, some are neither (atheist).

Some want riches and the Bitcoin dollar, they don’t care about a social credit system, as long as they get rich - while others want private payments and don’t care about the riches at all.

What we all seem to agree on, is that the money is fucked and it is the highest order of priorities, as everything else is downstream of this (monopoly on law, violence, communications).

What other common ground do we all share?

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x92vbb 1y ago

The common ground imho is that we all hedge against the satanic slave fiat money system with a different censorship resistant money.

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kiwi 1y ago

What does that mean for the statist? Whether republican or democrat, who believe in the lesser evil?

Are they no longer Bitcoiners?

Even if they save in it or spend it?

x92vbb 1y ago

Everybody who is interested in #Bitcoin is a Bitcoiner imho.🧡

You asked about the common ground: Thus statists and non-statists can be Bitcoiners imho and fight the slave fiat money system.

kiwi 1y ago

But then there’s no cultural identity, and that makes Larry Fink a bitcoiner… which I disagree with.

I don’t think “uses Bitcoin” as a means to any end, when often those ends conflict, makes someone a bitcoiner.

There was a cultural foot print in the white paper, addressing the root issue, therefore the people who are causing the root issue to deepen, and trying to centralize bitcoin to capture / co-opt / control, cannot be bitcoiners, even though they are using the tool (for evil).

x92vbb 1y ago

I agree to a certain point. It's a matter of definition.

There are surely groups and sub-groups or branches with different believes. Bitcoin lefties, anarchists, libertarians, right wingers...

At the end you can atomize it to the every individual, whose believes slightly differ.

kiwi 1y ago

Sure - but the main group, the parent, was birthed in disdain for centralization and corruption, and solving that root problem. Therefore the parent identity is not just that of usage.

Debating the consequent sub groups is a different conversation than the one I am trying to have.