Replying to Avatar Lyn Alden

One of the crazy things about AI and robotics is that in the year 2025, most people still don't use Roombas or other robotic vacuum cleaners.

They're useful in many contexts, but they're not clearly better across most metrics than a human with a vacuum cleaner yet. They've been out for a very long time, gradually improving. And that's one *very specific* task with pretty clear visualization requirements and floor mobility requirements and pretty low safety thresholds with high repetition levels, and yet that market isn't dominated by robotics yet.

That's an example of why I continue to view white collar computer-work AI as being *way* ahead of in-the-field blue collar robotic AI in terms of competing with human jobs.

The moment where it's a joke to buy a human-powered vacuum instead of a robot vacuum, rather than a debatable trade-off, is kind of the canary in the coal mine moment for consumer robotics. We can't even nail that yet, but once we do, it's kind of a floodgate moment, considering how long that task has been in the works for, and it will probably quickly expand to other areas following that moment.

That's kind of my basic test for robot hype. Yes, they're getting better and better. Yes, they do backflips now. Yes, it's a big deal. But in-the-field blue collar skilled work is a really high bar, and we haven't fully cleared the "vacuum carpeted areas of the same house floor area over and over" stage of that yet.

Everything is kind of hype until that stage is fully breached. Then it's off to the races.

What's your view of that heuristic?

I agree with the conclusion that robots being able to accomplish generalized high-skill trades work is a long way off, however, I think the heuristic doesn't work. There Roomba is like a narrow intelligence, say Deep Blue playing chess. Deep Blue beat Kasparov in 1996. Going on 20 years and still no AGI. So, I don't think that if someone solves for a great Roomba that signals tradesmen robots are around the corner.

I think about this a lot. I am an electrician, mostly working on residences. I would love to be able to hire an assistant bot. But the amount of adaptation that is needed for the specific puzzle of each job seems tough to solve for on the cognitive side. Even more so, the physical side, moving through crawl spaces and crawling over attic rafters, seems very far away for robots. Maybe bots that work in commercial settings building conduit in warehouses that are wide open, but homes have some tight spaces that wires run through!

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