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Yes, relay operators can be coerced.
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Fiat Revelation 1y ago

Thanks for the reply, Fiatjaf.

I’m somewhat new in this space so I’m trying to figure out some of the mechanics. Indulge me - if you will - few more curiosities:

If users flock to popular relays to achieve maximal reach, and operators can be coerced, then doesn’t that obfuscate decentralization?

I’m finding that relay discovery is a barrier of entry to Nostr from a user perspective (not a dev, if that wasn’t already obvious). Do you have any suggestions for us plebs who want to filter relays by area of interest?

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fiatjaf 1y ago

Users don't need to flock to popular relays to achieve maximal reach, they just need their followers to follow them on whatever relays they publish to.

This is how it's supposed to work: https://how-nostr-works.pages.dev/#/outbox

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𝕾𝖊𝖗 𝕾𝖑𝖊𝖊𝖕𝖞 1y ago

How do I make my followers use the same relays I publish to

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𝕾𝖊𝖗 𝕾𝖑𝖊𝖊𝖕𝖞 1y ago

is there a guide for this

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fiatjaf 1y ago

Yes, it's in the link above, click on the button that says "guide".

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𝕾𝖊𝖗 𝕾𝖑𝖊𝖊𝖕𝖞 1y ago

I got hit with the old “GFY mobile user” text

“browsing on the phone is absurd and this website must be viewed on a desktop.

thank you.”

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fiatjaf 1y ago

You must buy a computer.

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liminal 🦠 1y ago

Switch to desktop view on your browser

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𝕾𝖊𝖗 𝕾𝖑𝖊𝖊𝖕𝖞 1y ago

didn’t work ): unless I clicked on wrong thing

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Mike Dilger ☑️ 1y ago

It is a window size thing. I get that if I shrink the desktop browser.

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PABLOF7z 1y ago

no, that's exactly what the outbox model is, and the clients your followers use need to use it;

that's why we insist on its importance so much; it (or something like it) is the only way nostr can become decentralized

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𝕾𝖊𝖗 𝕾𝖑𝖊𝖊𝖕𝖞 1y ago

thanks Pablo 🤝

nostr:npub1zafcms4xya5ap9zr7xxr0jlrtrattwlesytn2s42030lzu0dwlzqpd26k5 feature request fren

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elsat 1y ago

https://github.com/nostrability/nostrability/issues/69

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𝕾𝖊𝖗 𝕾𝖑𝖊𝖊𝖕𝖞 1y ago

issue #69 ?

yeah, this one’s gonna do numbers

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elsat 1y ago

Nostr needs from you outbox #nostrability memes sleepy.

Objective is (to motivate and/or shame devs ) to implement outbox

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𝕾𝖊𝖗 𝕾𝖑𝖊𝖊𝖕𝖞 1y ago

Who’s the creator of outbox ? making a meme rn

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Mike Dilger ☑️ 1y ago

I find crowbars work nicely. Slap it against the palm of your hand a few times. They will get the point.

More seriously now, I recently rewrote my webpage on this: https://mikedilger.com/gossip-model/

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𝕾𝖊𝖗 𝕾𝖑𝖊𝖊𝖕𝖞 1y ago

Great fuckin job my fren, thank you for your hard work n dedication 🫂

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Fiat Revelation 1y ago

I appreciate the visualization.

(FYI - At first I got the same "view on desktop" note as nostr:npub1jk9h2jsa8hjmtm9qlcca942473gnyhuynz5rmgve0dlu6hpeazxqc3lqz7 (on a laptop). Zooming out fixed this.)

Thanks for this. I've found Nostrudle works nicely for discovering user inbox/outbox relays. Haven't been able to see other user's relay info on the mobile clients (Damus, Primal), which is where sharing them to your followers would come into play. I guess growing one's reach is better done using traditional/centralized channels for communication for now. However, I can see how the outbox model can give you more control over the content you are seeing, if you only connect to paid relays, for instance, you will the proof of work takes care of spam users.

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fiatjaf 1y ago

We don't have many relays with filtered content yet, today all relays are all more or less the same mess, but if you are into cats here is something for you: nostr:nevent1qqstdeudu2kfw55eueeyzmcq9tng76wpr32s7xtxhvwk84udwrgztaqpzpmhxue69uhkztnwdaejumr0dshsz8thwden5te0vfhhxarj9e3xjarrda5kuarcda4k7tnrdakj7qgwwaehxw309ahx7uewd3hkctcm0sz6j

You can use https://nostrrr.com/relay/catstrr.swarmstr.com to browse.

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Fiat Revelation 1y ago

There certainly is beauty in the mess. This all positive to me!

And Catstrr should age well: cats-only relay the first of its kind to filter by content

Geniuses at work.

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