I love both projects, they are cool and necessary, but they seem still in the experimental phase and are not ready for someone who needs a tool immediately ready for use, and it's not primary interested in exploring a new protocol.

I just opened them again after a few days, and I cannot browse anything, 3 of 4 groups don't load and are empty for me (like the two links you shared), I got connection errors... it's a little mess. I'm doing something wrong? Idk.

Btw, some suggestions:

These clients should have a clean "Create your group" landing that doesn't expose random servers/groups but just lets the user create a new space by picking a public relay, or entering a personal one. Some basic information about features and Nostr itself, and a link to a how-to article, would be great, too.

The actual app's interface should be designed first for a *single* space, allowing the user to explore the advanced features (searching groups on the networks, creating their own group) with a progressive discovery pattern. This limits confusion and errors, and most importantly, it gives the impression, both to the group owner and their users, to have a real *personal* and confined space, like they are used in the current website/forum paradigm, even if they are guests in a public server.

Then, for this last reason, it would be really useful to have an advanced guide to set up a personal relay *and* a personal frontend client; the latter should have the option to be graphically themed, to selectively enable specific features/areas (rooms, posts, pools, calendar, ...) and to hide all the other servers/groups stuff.

Users will then find out that they can easily switch clients, discover Nostr interoperability magic, and so contribute to the growth of the network/protocol.