https://open.spotify.com/episode/5g4oAxyLurAhkFIPvvpzps?si=gWRx4HxBRLecZ8It2zZsrA

As an uninformed observer the main point I see from these two perspectives is that both are basing their argument off different truths.

They seem to be worlds apart and unlikely to ever come to a peaceful agreement anytime soon.