It’s fine for bitcoin companies to touch fiat. We live in a fiat world. The best bitcoin businesses (by profit) are exchanges. If you want to solve real user problems, you might need to get involved with the fiat system. I get your point around the negatives of the fiat system, the regulatory and focus costs are high. Are you thinking of any particular examples? I’m wondering if they weren’t going to succeed in the first place unless they did integrate

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I'd put Fold App in this category, right. Unless we're not seeing something under the hood

Yea. There will be tons of companies that have tried, currently do and will bridge the bitcoin to fiat worlds in a way that’s nice for users. If Fold succeeds or fails isn’t because it got involved with fiat. It’s just hard to build a company. Trying to generically blame it on “fiat” doesn’t hit the mark with me. I mean unless he means fiat is anything bad, then I guess by definition he’s right.