Nostr Web Client

Primal is not going to be the app to use if you want ANY kind of custom read relays. They ONLY have their caching relay for folks to read from, and I don't see them changing that model any time soon.

To achieve what you are looking for, I would recommend only reading from and writing to web-of-trust relays. Even better if you can run your own. But to have custom relays to read from, you're going to need to use a client that actually cares what you have set for your read relays. Not Primal.

There's a list of web-of-trust relays here: https://github.com/bitvora/wot-relay

I also run one at wss://wot.brightbolt.net.

Another option would be to use Coracle.social and crank your minimum web-of-trust score for seeing notes up to 3 or so. Jerks will still be able to see and interact with your notes, but Coracle will automatically hide whatever they say, because they aren't within your web-of-trust.

Dikaios1517 10mo ago

It should also be remembered that Nostr is NOT intended to be private. Nostr is the ultimate public square, and that has always been its greatest strength and its greatest weakness.

Private communities is something that is being worked on, though. nostr:nprofile1qy2hwumn8ghj7ct4w35zumn0wd68yvfwvdhk6qghwaehxw309anxjmr5v4ezumn0wd68ytnhd9hx2qpqzuuajd7u3sx8xu92yav9jwxpr839cs0kc3q6t56vd5u9q033xmhsxjhppf is going some great work in that regard. I am also intrigued by nostr:nprofile1qyghwumn8ghj7vf5xqhxvdm69e5k7tcpz4mhxue69uhkzet8d9ejuat50phjummwv5hsqgpm7rrrljungc6q0tuh5hj7ue863q73qlheu4vywtzwhx42a7j9n5zgwjy3 's lockbox and how that might be combined with nostr:nprofile1qyvhwumn8ghj76rzwghxxmmjv93kcefwwdhkx6tpdshsz8nhwden5te0dp38ytnrdaexzcmvv5h8xmmrd9skctmfde3x77qqyztuwzjyxe4x2dwpgken87tna2rdlhpd02va5cvvgrrywpddnr3jy4ywtuu 's #Flotilla app, with relay-based communities.

But kind 1 notes posted in Primal, Amethyst, Damus, or any other "twitter-clone" type of client should always be considered public.

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Latrica 10mo ago

So nostr:nprofile1qqs9xtvrphl7p8qnua0gk9zusft33lqjkqqr7cwkr6g8wusu0lle8jcq9vhrm will always be public and there is nothing they can do about it. Nothing? Nostr may have its intentions but there are can measures in place as a workaround to accommodate a different user experience. Technically the world is a public place but we still use doors, locks, curtains, etc.

Dikaios1517 10mo ago

Primal will always be public. There is not any way for you to post a note to a public relay and specify that X people aren't permitted to view or interact with it. If it's on a public relay, it's public, and Primal only has their public caching relay for people to read from. They don't seem to be interested in allowing folks to have separate private relays they can read from and write to. Not only that, but how would access be restricted on that relay based on your preferences? Relay access restrictions are global to all users on that relay.

Latrica 10mo ago

I asked a yes or no question. I didn’t even ask about Primal. Would you like to answer the question?

Dikaios1517 10mo ago

The answer is No.

JeffG 10mo ago

I think what you're actually looking for are tools that help you to curate what you see in the public town square setting. Nostr will remain an open and uncensorable protocol - but that doesn't mean each user is forced to see everything, it means that we are the one's that have to decide what we want to see and what we don't. We're still in the super early stages of exploring and building what those tools will be and what they'll look like.

Lots of great work going on in this area, but you're right, it'll be a scaling governor until we get it right.

Latrica 10mo ago

Thanks for sharing your insights. I see Nostr as an open slate with many capabilities. I understand that it was intended to be an open protocol but I wanted to know if it was possible to also create something additional for those who want something private. Why not try to cater to as many people as possible and let them decide which part of Nostr they like via apps. The devs can choose a design and allow users agency to customize. Therefore, those who like complete openness can have an option. And those who want something private can have an option. People like options. The apps/clients will be the focus. I’ve always said this. Nostr is the backend behind the scenes aspect. Nostr is the infrastructure. It’s like going to a hardware store. Pick the tools for the house you’re designing and build it. Every builder won’t use the same tools. But the option is there. Ultimately the builders will build different houses. In this case, apps/clients. And the people can choose which one they like.

JeffG 10mo ago

Yup. I’m building a messenger client right now that is more of a WhatsApp/Signal like experience. Eg private by default and only the people you want to talk to.

Latrica 10mo ago

Yippe! I’ve requested a WhatsApp type app for the longest time! I’ll be happy to test it for you, provide feedback, and share user research. Be prepared for constructive criticism if it applies. The sole purpose is for improvement. Keep me posted!

Dikaios1517 10mo ago

nostr:nprofile1qyv8wumn8ghj7enfd36x2u3wdehhxarj9emkjmn99uqsuamnwvaz7tmwdaejumr0dshszythwden5te0dehhxarj9emkjmn99uq3jamnwvaz7tmswfjk66t4d5h8qunfd4skctnwv46z7qgnwaehxw309ac82unsd3jhqct89ejhxtcpz4mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuerpd46hxtnfduhszxnhwden5te0wfjkccte9enk2arpd338jtnrdakj7a33qythwumn8ghj7un9d3shjtnwdaehgu3wvfskuep0qythwumn8ghj7un9d3shjtnswf5k6ctv9ehx2ap0qyvhwumn8ghj7un9d3shjtnndehhyapwwdhkx6tpdshsz9nhwden5te0wfjkccte9e4x2enxvuhxv7tf9uqzq9eemymaerqvwdc25f6ctyuvzx0zt3qld3zp5hf5cmfc2qlrzdh0yr6tnl is a great guy to follow. He does weekly updates on the progress of this project.

Latrica 10mo ago

I’m aware of nostr:nprofile1qqspwwwexlwgcrrnwz4zwkze8rq3ncjug8mvgsd96dxx6wzs8ccndmc2ymgxf. I have read his content although I don’t follow him. I prefer not to do any new follows for now. Once he launches, hopefully he tags me to inform me it’s available. I’ll look into it.

JeffG 10mo ago

Hasn’t done one in a while. 🙈

Dikaios1517 10mo ago

Shows how well I've been paying attention.