Replying to Avatar EchDel

Can I challenge your choices in translation? I do not claim one translation superior to another, study and critical are always a more important than the specific text.

John 3:16 is probably the most well known and most frequently quoted verse.

The way that the NASB and the ESV translated this verse actually kills the original intent of the author. If we "believe" that the Bible is true then it must be true to fundamentals of our belief consistently.

16 “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only Son, so that everyone who believes in Him will not perish, but have eternal life.

Now this is what I call a rubbish translation.

In 1 Corinthians 44 - 49

If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. 45 So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living being”; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit. 46 The spiritual did not come first, but the natural, and after that the spiritual. 47 The first man was of the dust of the earth; the second man is of heaven. 48 As was the earthly man, so are those who are of the earth; and as is the heavenly man, so also are those who are of heaven. 49 And just as we have borne the image of the earthly man, so shall we bear the image of the heavenly man.

In this verse Jesus is equated as being the second Adam.

Adam created by God in the Image of God,

Jesus begotten by God as the seed of God.

Jesus is the descendant of Adam through the body of Mary and the brother of Adam through the immaculate conception.

This implies that Jesus cannot possibly be the one and only son of God.

In Lukes geneology 3:37-38 it reads like this,

37 the son of Methuselah, the son of Enoch,

the son of Jared, the son of Mahalalel,

the son of Kenan, 38 the son of Enosh,

the son of Seth, the son of Adam,

the son of God.

So the NASB vastly contradicts itself literally two books apart and it is misleading on a fundamental level with regards to the identity of the created being Christ or otherwise.

The King James version squares this hole by a slightly more accurate translation.

"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

The word begotten really brings all the texts back into harmony.

The translation is not yet perfect, I would go further into the oikoumene and its apllication with regards to the word world but all that aside the King James is a superior translation and the NASB has been cucked and purposefully so.

I do claim it. My mistake.

Reply to this note

Please Login to reply.

Discussion

I do like the KJV. It is more poetic than most modern translations.

I don't agree with some of your statements about these verses. Your conclusions about 1 Corinthians 44 - 49, seem arbitrary. The statement "the second man is of heaven." implies that Jesus is God. It seems that I agree with your interpretation of what the Bible really says, but disagree that the ESV/NASB say something different.

The ESV and NASB are written based on older and more accurate documents and therefore have at least the probability of being more accurate.

One thing to know about the KJV Bible is that originally, the godly believers, like the Pilgrims, hated the KJV. They didn't trust this translation by a tyrannical King that forced unbiblical sacraments on the churches. At the time, all of the strongest English speaking Christians preferred the Geneva Bible (I have one from the 1600s. It is one of my favorite possessions) and rejected the KJV. That being said, I still think the KJV and the NKJV are both in the top 10 English translations (and there are soooo many).

One other issue with the KJV is that it is written in older English. Many words, that were used and that were very precise at the time it was written, have now changed meanings to be less precise and/or mean something different. This can cause problems for anyone not familiar with the original meaning of the words. This makes it less ideal for many people. The NKJV tried to fix this problem, but it is a little less poetic than the original.

I am unable to zap you for your concise and well worded response which leaves me sad and disheartened. Love hearing good ideas and strong opinion. NOSTR is amazing.

Get your zaps together and setup please.

This is the way.

Sorry, life has gotten the better of me and I have never finished setting up my alby hub. Hopefully next weekend, but I've said that the past 4 weekends.

You can try https://coinos.io/