sure, but... an exit poll? we have biased polls in every single country of this world, no matter how democratic it'd be. in Brazil, some said Lula would win with 60%, 65%, ended up with 50,8%. even carter center, that has always attested the legitimacy of the process since Chavez, has fled the country this time with no opinion. this by itself says a lot. on the other hand, we have another exit poll giving victory to maduro with 55%. one concrete problem here: it was created a month ago. so far, nothing new on the front. as much as I hate saying so, it's latam. in south america, in special, with the exception of Chile/(which currently have the best president of latam) and Uruguay (which had the best president ever, pepe mujica) and perhaps Argentina (which has milei, lmao), we're all republics of bananas (including Brazil). electoral frauds are the rule. does Venezuela have the safest electoral machines? it does, indeed. but an electoral fraud consists in way more than what happens on the machines themselves. bribing people, for example. poor people sell their votes for less than 10 dollars -- not saying this happened there, but it happens all the time here, trucks and trucks full of money. I have worked in five electoral campaigns so far, twenty years in a row. I've seen movies' stuff. I've been threatened with death. and so on. other examples that, now yeah, did happen in Venezuela now were electoral zones closed depending on the area. only 40% of minutes being publicized by CNE -- and it doesn't matter how safe the machines are if you don't publicize the results, anyone can fake a piece of paper (Corina has gathered 80% the minutes and posted them online', maduro shut down the page and hasn't shown anything yet -- four days now, enough time to fake it all). people are starving in Venezuela. corruption is all over, scandals involving his wife, his nephews, he himself. narcos rule the country, not only Los soles, which is commanded by an army general, diodado caballo, but the whole country. 25% of its citizens have run away from Venezuela. 200/300 per day only to Brazil, in average. last week, it peaked over 800. over 700 protesters have been arrested so far. over 10 killed. years ago, in a protest against maduro, they had killed over 125 people. they don't hate maduro due to an exit poll. they hate him cuz he's maduro.
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I don't say that Maduro didn't cheat. I think that he cheated and also that cia and it's puppet Corina tried to cheat. I don't think it is a coincedence that all in the opposition came with an exact number. They all say about 70%. That number comes from somewhere. They also keep saying the word freedom. We have seen this pattern again and again. I could mention more. I think it is safe to say that cia controls the opposition. As for Maduro, it is totally unacceptable, totally, for a country that is located in the tropicals and can have food production all time of the year, to have food supply problems. And not only that, but Venezuela has plenty of oil. So... of course the people in Venezuela should change their useless government. But not with a cia one. Can't get worse than that...
That's all...
exactly what I was saying yesterday in other conversation. there's no point at all to pick a side between CIA and a dictator. but, for the first time in almost thirty years, people finally have the balls to go out, take the streets, confront army and demand their choice is respected. even the communist party is against maduro this time, lol. unfortunately, corina is all they have left right now. los soles will remain los soles, though, with or without maduro. so it's basically hopeless but for one thing: empower people for a change. give em at leasr the illusion they can change something so they would actually have the means to change something in the future. good or bad, it'd be simpler with a CIA wiretrap than with a rifle pointed to their heads.
Yeah i was thinking of this too. In fact this is why i don't oppose some posts i have seen that seem totally wrong to me.
But the first thing cia will do, is exactly to remove the ability from the people to establish a government that is friendly for them. Corina is not what the people have. She is what cia has.
Anyway it is Venezuelanos choice. But that could really affect us all...
corina is what maduro let em have, all the rest is dead or in jail (actually, even Corina is ineligible and soon to be in prison). no government is ever friendly to people, that's the main problem. perhaps, only perhaps, if people respond to current oppression and actually get armed and kill some generals or maduro himself, perhaps then she or whoever gets to be a little scared. still: government. that's precisely why I'm an anarchist :D
Right. It is difficult for a government to be friendly to the people indeed (i think Ulof Palme was). I should say more friendly.
But cia must be exposed too.
always. my enemies are the globalists, thus CIA. but biden endorsing Lula to endorse maduro only makes it way more suspicious. in the end, CIA wins with Corina and with maduro. I can even see them signing an agreement: "OK, Maduro, you stay in power but don't invade Guyana and leave their oil to us". that's their greatest fear nowadays.
Ah the Guyana case is far out of my depth. I didn't even know that such a state even existed until recently. Too latam for me...
But generally the west does not negotiate lately. Either you fully agree with them or you get regime changed if they can.
ex-colony of england. and there's a second one, french guyana, still colony of france, officially French territory. USA is currently exploring the oil of the first one. recently, maduro claimed it is part of the bolivarian republic and threatened to invade it after the elections. to do it so, he'll have to invade Brazil first. it's all negotiable when you're part of the deal. when Lula is part of the deal, I mean. Lula works with CIA since 1970s.