https://open.spotify.com/episode/2AGoLh8kIRoZC1FkldGbY0?si=jaoTkbVqRwqM4b5F87icoA&nd=1

“In a more reasonable world, people like Cheney, Rice, Bolton, et al., would all be forgotten, shamed, and disgraced for overseeing multiple disastrous wars abroad and the creation of a police state at home. Unfortunately, we don't live in a more reasonable world.”