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ponymontana💜⚡

kde and gnome are overcomplex softwares that cant be not-bugged, try a simple minimal wlroots based compositor like dwl

ᴛʜᴇ ᴅᴇᴀᴛʜ ᴏꜰ ᴍʟᴇᴋᴜ 1y ago

that's my point

already enough problems to add stupid wayland

like, can't restart using `alt-f2 r` for gnome

can't use barrier with gnome, and supporting both has broken barrier basically

because of all the energy going into wAyLaNd we can't have variable scale X to cope with our variable resolution LCDs or join monitors into single virtual monitors, they are flat strap trying to fix the bugs in both systems instead of being more chill and fixing bugs in the one system that already works fine

it's almost 20 years since wayland started and all it has done is diffuse open source development of linux GUI, hence, it is a dumpster fire

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ponymontana💜⚡ 1y ago

I agree with you, but I dont think lack of development on one front can be justified by some work happening on the other front.

I think all the scalability model of linux desktop is broken, you cant have a stable, clean and secure desktop environment by hiding to user the processes under the hood and adding layers over layers of complexity and GUIs.

I hack frequently with wayland and X and I think they either can be just so simple and so good, all the problems I find are in the unnecessary garbage on upper layers.

ᴛʜᴇ ᴅᴇᴀᴛʜ ᴏꜰ ᴍʟᴇᴋᴜ 1y ago

agreed, and the root problem is the object oriented model

a GUI is a process, you paint this and you mask that and you hide the other thing

the immediate mode model for GUI is the future IMO, we are just waiting for objects to die

you can already see this model rising with all the game engines, in fact i won't be surprised if someone cooks a game engine into a display manager back end

this is almost exactly what Apple did with Cocoa

it's me, real fake 1y ago

is there an example in the wild of a gui that isn't a object model?

ᴛʜᴇ ᴅᴇᴀᴛʜ ᴏꜰ ᴍʟᴇᴋᴜ 1y ago

our own nostr:nprofile1qy88wumn8ghj7mn0wvhxcmmv9uq3xamnwvaz7tm0venxx6rpd9hzuur4vghszgrhwden5te0dehhxarj9ejkjmn4dej85ampdeaxjeewwdcxzcm99uq3yamnwvaz7tmwdaehgun4v5hxxmmd9uq32amnwvaz7tmjv4kxz7fwv3sk6atn9e5k7tcqyrhprfwl7sxpnf247s07g26g7q8xrry3yftz9t3hkmptkeahd38yjzwel5z is building Gossip with a Rust immediate mode GUI of the kind i am describing

of course like everything there has been a Go equivalent since 2016 or so and the original was in C, called `imgui`

it will be some time before someone builds a desktop out of it though, i think first an IMGUI based wayland or X (i wish the latter but i bet the former is already underway)