This is why I don't like frameworks very much... Two sides of the same coin though depending on the application. If the application is big, then a framework can simplify, but if the objective is not that large in scope, a framework just makes things more complicated. I think there area lot of apps out there with frameworks they don't really need. Not that they aren't more performant or extensable this is. They probably are, but it makes I harder for other developers to jump in and contribute.