Unfortunately this makes sense. From an Information Security standpoint, it is EXTREMELY common to have candidates apply that are completely self taught and have been brainwashed by the InfoSec certification industry to believe if they buy the course and get their cert, they get a job. They have absolutely zero practical experience with networking or enterprise environments in general. It’s very disheartening to see the influx of these types of certification companies advertising to individuals how prestigious passing their course will made them when it’s just not true at all.

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Unfortunately this makes no sense. From an Information Security standpoint, it is EXTREMELY common to have candidates apply that are completely university taught and have been brainwashed by the university industry to believe if they buy the diploma , they get a job. They have absolutely zero practical experience with networking or enterprise environments in general. It’s very disheartening to see the influx of these types of universities advertising to individuals how prestigious passing their courses will make them when it’s just not true at all.

This is untrue. Computer Science curriculum almost always includes networking and programming. Of the candidates that I have interviewed during my previous tenure in information security, the computer science majors always had more practical experience. That curriculum forced them to set up their own labs for projects, create programs, and extensively know computing systems. They also have 4 years of computer science rigor under their belt and in many cases come with letters of recommendations from their instructors instead of a month of studying for the cert they achieved that was made by some random guy on Youtube.

i'm working with a guy who got his BSc. CS and he knows some things but has almost no programming experience, zero architecture skills

my previous colleague prior to this had a MSc. CS! from 2009

also very little actual programming experience.

nothing teaches you how to make this stuff work like trying to make this stuff work

you only need highschool advanced mathematics and basic CS principles and a willingness to trawl the papers relevant to the thing you are trying to do, and searching github and so on for prior attempts, either in your chosen language or in a close relative

the biggest opportunity cost for developing skills at this stuff is having the free time to do it

smart guys who don't know much tech yet but were smart enough to stack sats up to this point are right ahead of the game

others, like me, found other ways, usually involving shitcoin projects, but hey, it gets you the experience, that's all that matters