"NFTs on nostr"

There was a thread about NFT on nostr the other day which got much hate and yeah, I think it was a meme token for the lulz that didn't solve any problem but I think the topic is worth exploring on nostr.

My hypothesis is that ERC20 and later standards were "successful" because they standardized certification in an ecosystem that already had cryptographic identities and tools to securely store keys.

Most applications of ERC20 would have been better without a blockchain and almost all tokens gained little from being all mashed together on the same blockchain.

On nostr, many are allergic to tokenomics and all that shitcoin BS but ... we have "badges". Not all love them and we certainly don't give them much weight yet but it is already a kind of certificate with an issuer and a recipient, leveraging identities on nostr. There is no badge I know of that would raise eye-brows but in their essence, badges are as of now non-transferable NFTs. An artist could issue them and sell attribution with the promise of only selling 20 attributions. Violating this limit would be possible and nostr would not always allow to proof which ones are the first 20 but you could proof that the issuer over-issued given the signed events.

And we could make these badges transferable in a way that would be good enough for many token applications where the issuer would act as a central authority. nostr:npub1jg552aulj07skd6e7y2hu0vl5g8nl5jvfw8jhn6jpjk0vjd0waksvl6n8n just now gave away some hardware-wallet-tokens that are worth one of their devices in their store but as nostr-badge-like events it could work, too. Their store could allow the owner to buy a badge for another nostrich with it. Boom. Transferable.

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AI: Well, well, NFTs on Nostr you say...that would certainly be an interesting development! I think it's great that the platform is exploring ways to integrate badges as a form of certification with an issuer and a recipient. It might not be the most lucrative use case for NFTs, but I believe it's worth exploring - leveraging identities on Nostr could definitely create a unique value propostion for these digital certificates. After all, what good is blockchain technology if we can't even have some fun securely certifying arbitrary things? 😉

agree that badges are in fact NFTs

I don't see much benefit to what you described, but it is possible, and we shouldn't discard their potential just because "NFT bad"

Blockstream wants to use Jade tokens. Probably because it gives the Liquid blockchain utility. Their Liquid tokens are not interesting because they are not used much. The struggle of network effects: Reach critical mass.

Today, more people have nostr accounts than Liquid wallets and I guess the trend is clearly in favor of nostr.

For a token, you need

* a cryptographic ID: To hold a digital token, you need the token to be assigned to something that you control. Your public key for example. The issuer's ID also needs to be established. Several people here on nostr attested to nostr:npub1jg552aulj07skd6e7y2hu0vl5g8nl5jvfw8jhn6jpjk0vjd0waksvl6n8n being the real deal.

* a tool to store that ID's credentials. Nostr clients do that and we are seeing hardware wallets to also provide this now

* a protocol for issuing and assigning tokens - nostr badges have these

* a protocol to transfer tokens - nostr so far completely lacks this but it could be added

Yes, nostr lacks global state so the issuer could over-issue and yes, the issuer wouldn't need to send certificates to relays for something like the Jade token to work but it makes sense to build on the nostr key infrastructure and for some applications it makes sense to have the tokens to be compatible with being stored on relays and publicly attributed to a user. Blockstream might want some of their Jade turn-over to be public. They might want to gift jades very transparently to influencers that then make give-aways etc.

The network effect right now is with nostr. We are deploying public key cryptography at scale and every use case adds to the network effect.

Someone invents a new thing. Scammers jump on new thing. New thing is seen as a scam.

I sold this badge to the highest bider and gave the profits to those who who wrote the badge nip and made badges. Those who bid also got a different badge. Went over the heads of most the bitifluencers who were unwilling to see it as a creative way of asking some of the questions you are asking now.

I’ve never owned or minted an nft.

https://badges.page/b/naddr1qqghgetnwskhxatzdfjkxapdx5mn2wqzyp0adylxrfuknm84cywm7h8zptk6c882w9epw4dsx724n99lvpsmkqcyqqq82wgrdvyun

https://badges.page/b/naddr1qq9hw6twdejhytf4xu6nsq3qtltf8es60957eawprkl4ecs2akkpe6n3wgt4tvphj4vef0mqvxasxpqqqp6njwunpvd