This is the way π sadly... We don't have a lot of focus outside of a couple of apps. Most Other Stuff apps are abandoned for the next Other Stuff apps as you said. I would love to see this not be the case though. We have so many apps in the Other Stuff category with so much incredible potential.
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OtherStuff is much more work and requires more and higher skill sets, that's why, and you need to have a deep understanding of the topic covered. You're not competing with cute little software widgets like X or WhatsApp, but with large, complex, specialized applications like Teams or GitHub or Jira or SAP or Turbotax or Amazon.
That's why just throwing a bunch of money at whoever you think is cool doesn't get that job done. You have to find the right team for the job and they have to be willing to work on the same damn thing for years. Because developing on Nostr is inherently faster, it attracts developers who want to get done quickly, which means they usually run out of energy after a couple of weeks or months because they're easily bored.
That's why they don't test or bug-fix or straighten out the DevOps: too tedious, too slow, too boring.
Even many of the people being paid to work on this stuff full-time don't have a serious attitude about it because the serious people already have jobs writing software for serious things, like calibrating motors, planning logistics tours, or back office management.
That's why we went straight to the OtherStuff.
If nobody knows who you are and/or nobody likes you, and you have no funds or attention, you have to do the hard stuff other people won't do. It's just like IRL.
People confuse X having lots of users with X being a large program. It's a widget to send tweets. Yes, you can just vibe-code that. π€·π»ββοΈ
the only complicated stuff they have is their infrastructure and their system of censorship and promotion that they pretend isn't controlling the conversation
There is no need to rebuild SAP .. cuz it is already there !
Nostr is searching for new innovations .. building clients is first necessary step to start collaboration.. and letting people understand the protocol !
speaking of other stuff, calendars is something that i have in mind to work on sometime in the next few months, after we switch over the chat and forum systems of the project at my fiat mine job to nostr based, with a small cluster of relays maintaining it, and i can see us using the document stuff as a replacement for gdocs and bit.ai as well, further down the track as that tech matures
Iβve got calendar stuff in my new chusme.social app that Iβm working on. Definitely still in the buggy prototype stage. Itβs a group focused nostr app.
We're building a very similar concept at nostr:npub18stt78efprta2el02tzgnez6ehghzgtt000v58967wvkgezjmprs0n7h7u and nostr:npub1gm7gw8q6akeft2pjt270we35vlff0v9g2fene6cxkz2h68q5hl6qls0fte
yeah we should definitely talk, we are building tools for communities that allow them to decide which types of content they want to host and support reading and interacting with a wide array of event kinds. we recently added RSVP for calendar events since this community is already using them:
https://video.nostr.build/e9ca307bd57048b4717aa62adb192b7a1062681b5c5bf55a2861b73fcdfbafed.mp4
also notes, articles, streams, zap goals...
Iβm all for this communities future weβre building.
A Nostr calendar that I can share an event vie the protocol would be a very good start.
That's already a NIP.
I have no android app, so I don't care if it is a nip. I only use calendars on my phone because unless you have your own server, sharing calendar events sucks or is compromised. Nostr solves most of this by using relays so I could use any internet connected device so view my calendar and do stuff with those calendar events like send invites or just share an event to specific npubs
when the relay is auth-requqired and these types of events are made private like DMs you can update them with reader tags to allow other users also on the relay to use the data
but for public relays without these you'd want them to be encrypted AND ideally protected from unauthed users seeing them but i don't think there is another relay that actually does this other than #realy - because i'm not one of the kool (-aid drinking) kids of course... but some of y'alls get what i'm doing
He means send ical files.
Like this, so that Nostr can send events to Google calendar or Outlook or whatnot.
oh, that's just a format conversion, would need to add that since nostr calendar events are just a collection of items that need to be joined together to make a calendar
but even still, being able to share read access to calendars on the same company/org network would be essential
Thanks for doing the shitty Shit with a ling time horizon π
I canβt think of a more serious thing than shoring up free speech. Nostr is mission critical software
Unfortunately, you're right. Problem is, serious minded devs throw their hands in the air and walk off because people chase the new "shiny" and funding either never comes or dries up. If people would come together and donate enough it would solve a problem that issue.
Devs dev, no marketing. Can't get anywhere like that.
The key to βother stuff appsβ will be more B2B tools and services for black box apps to integrate more closely (and openly) with Freedom Tech.
Let business come to Nostr with their other stuff already in place.
I would start working on yondar again in a heartbeat if I actually had funding, but the funding ran out. And that's how it goes. When people complain about nostr apps being abandoned, they don't realize the immense amount of resources it takes to build and maintain an app.