Forum logs for 01 Sep 2013
fractal
Because the 400Gh unit only hashes at 365Gh.
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Anduck
there was no promise of the hardware to perform X way, only the kit
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fractal
And a kit is "is "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for total of 256 chips"
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fractal
which only performs at 365gh
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Anduck
you must mean that 1 m-board + 16 h-boards only does 365 gh?
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Anduck
the kit is 400gh at 400W so the performance requirement wouldnt be met
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fractal
ok, i'll remove the chip count from the description... and add 1-raspberry pi
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Anduck
tyrion70: "Bitfury EU August orders"
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Anduck
when you pay for your order, it's an order
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Anduck
if you get an option to buy something more, it's a different order
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tyrion70
where does it state how much it should cost?
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fractal
1 UNIT is, as advertised - "1 Master board. 16 hashing boards. 1 Raspberry Pi Model B"
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tyrion70
in the bet..
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Anduck
fractal: and that changed to more hardware, performance of the unit is still kept as promised
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fractal
Anduck: No, performance of the UNIT as defined in the bet is 365Gh
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Anduck
you can't talk about 1 unit to be that since there was a different unit/kit available too
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tyrion70
ok
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Anduck
they didnt define chips or hardware in the bet
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fractal
Anduck: the bet specifically mentions the 400Gh unit.
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tyrion70
anduck..
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tyrion70
what if..
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tyrion70
bitfury.. instead of giving more hardware...
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Anduck
bitfurystrikesback.com product description of the 400gh unit:
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Anduck
Performance:
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Anduck
400GHash/s
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Anduck
Total power draw max. 400W (Efficiency at wall depends on your PSU)
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fractal
INCLUDES:- "1 Master board. 16 hashing boards. 1 Raspberry Pi Model B"
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tyrion70
gave you a 1-m and 16h board with 200$?
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tyrion70
would it be a no?
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Anduck
tyrion70: it wouldn't produce 400gh so no
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Anduck
but the bet addresses performance only, not chip amount
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fractal
Anduck: the 400Gh unit doesn't produce 400Gh... it produces 365Gh..... the extra hardware is shipped to make up for performance misses..... its VERY GOOD PR and means bitfury is a great company, but it also means not all condiitons of the bet were met.
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Anduck
one orders 400gh, he gets 400gh. it performs 400gh.
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tyrion70
isn't that kind of weird anduck?
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Anduck
no?
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tyrion70
the performance of the machine should stay the same
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fractal
Anduck: thats right.... nobody is disagreeing with that. We're talking about the bet language which defines a UNIT as as advertised - "1 Master board. 16 hashing boards. 1 Raspberry Pi Model B" -- this is 365Gh
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tyrion70
I'd expect a unit to have a performance..
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Anduck
it does define the unit to be 400gh unit or 25gh unit
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Anduck
it doesnt address the hardware the unit includes
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Anduck
it only addresses the PERFORMANCE of the unit
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fractal
Anduck: yes it does. bfsb.com says the hardware unit is "as advertised - "1 Master board. 16 hashing boards. 1 Raspberry Pi Model B""
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Anduck
only the performance must be met, nothing about hardware itself
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tyrion70
ok but it means that bitfury can influence the outcome of the bet with a technicality..
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Anduck
fractal: yeah but thats not the performance promise lol
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fractal
a UNIT has to have performance. and the definition of the UNIT is what bfsb.com says -as advertised - "1 Master board. 16 hashing boards. 1 Raspberry Pi Model B"
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Anduck
tyrion70: how so?
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Anduck
bitfurystrikesback defines their 400gh kit performance this way:
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Anduck
Performance:
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Anduck
400GHash/s
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Anduck
Total power draw max. 400W (Efficiency at wall depends on your PSU)
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Anduck
that is what the bet talks about, right?
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tyrion70
well.. if they bet on Yes they would fix that with this solution.. whilst not improving the hardware itself..
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fractal
For a UNIT to have performance, there has to be a UNIT that someone can speak of .... the UNIT is question is " "1 Master board. 16 hashing boards. 1 Raspberry Pi Model B"
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Anduck
tyrion70: they could do whatever they want, add or remove the hardware. think about that what if 1 h-card produced 50 ghash
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Anduck
would they ship 16 h-cards as promised for 400gh unit?
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Anduck
no, they would ship 400gh worth of h-cards
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fractal
Anduck: then the bet would be a yes. it would over-perform.
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tyrion70
well if I ordered them and I cleared shelves in my rack I'd be very sad if they were 10 times as large as advertized...
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Anduck
which would only make it 8 h-cards. the customer buys 400gh unit. 400gh unit produces 400gh
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tyrion70
From my viewpoint they would not meet performance..
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Anduck
it's not really relevant does the kit include 10000 chips or 10 chips to make the 400gh unit hash that 400gh. the requirement in the bet was that 400gh unit hashes 400gh at
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