Everyone’s still talking about the Algerian boxer and I have some thoughts, too.

1. Imane Khelif is intersex, born with XY chromosomes but female equipment. Not trans. 100 years ago, everyone would say “woman” and have no reason to doubt it.

Natural biological sex is almost always clear, and I object to the intentional confusion of the issue by the Woke. But I also object to intentional ignorance of the cases and ways in which biological sex can be a complex matter, like this one.

Is it genetics or naturally developed body parts that make you male or female? Both necessarily? It’s rare you have to ask this question, but if you’re going to weigh in on this authoritatively, you should do so with humility.

It’s a fair question how to determine who should be allowed to compete in women’s sporting events. But we should have our facts straight when looking at this example.

2. Many have said something along the lines of “it used to be a crime for a man to hit a woman! You’d get locked up!”

The actual crime is assault, not man-hits-woman.

When two male boxers hit each other consensually as part of a match, it isn’t assault. When a man hits another on the street to humiliate him or take his stuff, it’s assault.

When the men and women in my kung fu class sparred with each other, it wasn’t assault.

I disagree with men (my mind isn’t quite made up on intersex people) being included in women’s sports because it’s lying. But if someone agrees with full knowledge to participate in such a match (I don’t know if Angela Carini knew), that’s their choice. The fight that proceeds within the rules is a consensual act, not a crime.

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Thanks, Erin. I really appreciate this.

There's been a tendency to expand "intersex," until the term becomes almost useless. Which is a pity, because in a case like this it's important information and makes for a different discussion.

Absolutely. There are a number of different conditions labeled intersex and the differences between them are important.

This is one of the rare times that someone, in this case Imane Khelif, is a genuine, genetic mutation. I remember when the XY chromosome test was used back when East Germany fielded some pretty manly looking people on the women’s team in the 70’s and 80’s.

If I remember correctly what was discovered was: in normal women the 45/46 chromosome pair is X/X and in men that same pair is X/Y. However in the East Germans case as In Imane Khelifs case the 45th chromosome is X and the 46th chromosome is XY.

Much like someone who has an extra chromosome on chromosome 13 (trisomy 13 or Down Syndrome) this genetic mutation causes changes resulting in unusual physical attributes. Just as someone with Down syndrome is shorter, large head, close set eyes people with X/XY are taller, stronger, denser bone structure, broader shoulders. People with 45/46 X/XY generally do not have the mental difficulties people with Down syndrome do.

If I remember correctly some of the East Germans from the 80s with this condition reproduced naturally as females.

That’s when it was decided “ if they can have babies, they must be women” and it’s been that way ever since.

This is all drawing from 40-year-old memories, so some details might be off. But this is how I remember it. Make up your own mind. I really don’t care at all either way. I’m not a sports guy. I’m just an old guy with a good memory that wanted to put in his two sats.

Wisdom🌅…”Approach with humility” is good advice no matter what the topic or debate is …this particular matter is obviously a much more complex issue than everyone initially thought…it’s hard imagine the media/sports commentators not including all the details in their 30 second sound bite 🤔😳

The intersex can have their own leagues, poor things. But they don't belong in women's leagues, or men's, for that matter.