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cool, link me one instance and I'll conceded. But technically there's no way a lightning contract "loses" funds. You simply force close the channel, the funds return to your on chain address. What I find is people like you don't use things correctly, don't have access to your on chain addresses, you don't have a self hosted node active, or have watchtowers for any counterparty risk. You say things like:

I lost my Bitcoin when I used lightning!

"what happened?"

well Ididn'tb write my on chain private key down, I deleted my wallet then my channel partner force closed while I was trying to move funds!

-So in short YOU did that yourself. You threw away the combination to your vault and expected to be able to access it.

Jordan S 1y ago

https://stacker.news/items/658124

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Jordan S 1y ago

https://www.reddit.com/r/lightningnetwork/s/gN6aRwYIZD

Jordan S 1y ago

https://thebitcoinmanual.com/articles/lose-funds-lightning-network/

JackTheMimic 1y ago

Points 1&2- yeah custodians can rug you, this can happen with literally anything(yes with XMR)

Points 3&5- if you cheat, your channel peer gets compensation. If they cheat and you don't catch them for 2 WEEKS using a lightning wallet, watchtower, lightning node software, yes you got your money stolen. That seems reasonable because if you do catch them they risk node access, all of their channel funds, and reputation.

Point 4- yeah, don't let people use your computer and route over tor.

Yes, I conceded that if you try to steal your peer's funds, you DO lose your funds. My bad, I should have stated that caveat.

JackTheMimic 1y ago

lol, and again, read the thread. some force closed channels were returned to their on chain address. the other 4 channels in question were still open and active channels that were later collaboratively closed. and a nice telegram scammer to throw into the mix. no funds were lost.

JackTheMimic 1y ago

did you read the thread or just the headline? no funds were lost. they returned to the on chain address when the channel force-closed. (By the way Alby was a custodial node service so, not a great example of a sovereign use of lightning.)

Jordan S 1y ago

Ok, I didn't read the whole thing on the alby one but waiting 14 days for your funds to return to you is a bit ridiculous isn't it?

I mean conventional banking only takes 3 to 5 days, so in the mean time onchain liquidity is frozen up waiting for lightning to resolve itself.

Personally, I enjoy on-chain.

JackTheMimic 1y ago

Force-closes are extreme circumstances. and the HTLC has a lock to avoid scams. giving someone 2 weeks to see they were being cheated is a feature not a bug. in most cases the collaborative close is used and you get on chain funds as soon as the txn is confirmed. it would be much quicker if threat actors weren't a concern in the real world. having the entire financial record on chain at the rate cash or credit is used would need storage the size of a Colosseum to verify. keeping rapid transactions off chain for velocity and on chain for settlement is the best way to keep a system decentralized.