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On second thought, I'm taking this one back. Printing is extraordinarily inhumane. It just appears humane in the first order set of effects. Second, third, etc order effects are mass homelessness, suicides, wars - all on a larger scale than simple theft allows. But that's also kinda my point, if people would please fucking notice it... Drones lower the cost of violence at an exponential rate over time, and as bitcoin makes material things cheaper, it will only assist in reducing the cost of drones. Simple theft will be more than enough to sustain a state.

Hazey 5mo ago

Theft by the state, aside from money printing, actually requires approval by the majority. Even the most totalitarian of governments needs approval, that is why so much effort is put into propaganda and censorship. A small militarized group of people against enormous masses of people, like 1000x more, is ultimately what government is. So it needs citizen approval to steal from them (unless they can just print it).

The state can't get away with blowing up its own people directly, they have to use false flags. So unstoppable free speech like nostr hopefully, takes out their ability to propagandize people into allowing theft, and without theft, the state can't exist.

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Comte de Sats Germain 5mo ago

Good thoughts, but I feel like there's more. The Sovereign Individual predicted that violence would move to more frequent but smaller scale incidents, as opposed to the large scale violence of modern nation states. I wish I could remember how it said it... Hopefully that suffices. I think the people who control the state will change tactics, because we're forcing them to, but the violence will not end. Not because of bitcoin alone. We have to anticipate these changes. There's no crypto anarchy if you have the threat of violence hanging over your head, probably quite literally. So we need solutions to reduce the effectiveness of drones. Being able to print up our own drone swarms is an idea, but I don't think its a complete idea, since the computational load of intercepting a killer drone will always be much higher than the computational load of identifying a face and kamikaze-ing it with a little bomb on a pressure trigger. You can do that yourself - I'm kinda shocked its not already happening. We need a way to make that impractical, or everything we do now is wasted. We have to put our minds into solving this. We can't wait for it to become a reality first. Peace us secured now, not later. I don't have the answer. That's why I'm making a fuss about it, because it needsathe attention.

freemymind 🇨🇭 5mo ago

Your basic thought, that violence is could grow sustainable is a logical fallacy. Violence and extortion is a predetor. And it can only survive when there is pray. And since both pray and hunter are the same species, hunter are always fewer. Most people will always live in freedom outside of the hunter pray tention. And wherever is a overshoot of hunters, local economy will get weaker, if society can not get rid of the hunters.

Comte de Sats Germain 5mo ago

That's a lot of assumptions.

Hazey 5mo ago

You mention that you are surprised that these drones are not already used that way. Well they are used that way now by state-sponsored Jewish terrorists (IDF) in occupied Gaza. They are NOT, however, used by maniacal people with a vendetta against humanity. That imagined threat is almost 100% state propaganda, and is the narrative of choice when pushing for totalitarianism. Reality about human nature is not so bleak, it is not something we have to over-prepare for.

So people aren't motivated to be wanton killers. There just aren't any motives for it. On the other hand, the state absolutely has very clear motives: profit and legitimacy. But if killing becomes super cheap, the profit motive goes away, because you don't need an expensive military industrial complex to build cheap drones. However the other motivation of state legitimacy remains as long as people give power to the state. The state needs enemies such as (false flag) terrorism to justify its existence.

Comte de Sats Germain 5mo ago

Good points. The state will probably prop up more terrorists to do the extorting, so they can steal while still claiming legitimacy. I agree that nosy people are good and won't do terrible things... Its the few that worries me. And the absolute nature of the prize of victory. The most ruthless psychopath will rule the world, unless we figure out how to defang them.

Comte de Sats Germain 5mo ago

*most

Not nosy. Silly autocorrect