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But packed with Google spyware

You can always flash stock android firmware

Yes, that's why I said excluding DeGoogled ones. I use Graphene OS as well.

Why do you insist on taking the main reason to use android?

they give you options

Well I mean you write "excluding degoogled phones". But Android itself is Google free. Google just leverages Android for its own purpose which is okay, but not a problem with Android itself in my opinion

Yes I agree (I use GrapheneOS) excluding that because I am trying to see what people think is safer between Normie phones. All of them use Google services.

We should start throwing degoogled androids to normies so that a degoogled Android will be normal. 😅

Yeah, I've been using GrapheneOS. Many apps are broken and just don't work even with sandboxed play services.