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Shire

a feed that prioritizes notes based on likes,

a feed that prioritizes based on the number of Zaps

a feed that prioritizes based on the value of Zaps.

a feed where I can view people I have indicated an extra interest in.

I want to be able to flick between all four feeds, and I don't need any other algo.

falsefaucet 2y ago

Zaps shouldn't be used for ranking until they can fix some of the easily exploitable things.

If we are using zaps to measure quality and value of a post to show users. I can easily spin up an alt and tip my own note at very low cost to myself. A few sats in routing fees..

It's not special to nostr or zaps. Any system that has the ease of entry and acct creation like nostr has/will face similar issues.

I have faith these brainiacs figure something out.

Just my 2 sats.

Zaps are cool, but they can, in their current state, be gamed.

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Shire 2y ago

Someone games it and we stop following them. Right? Just like any other form of being a cunt or attention seeking/ annoying behaviour.

falsefaucet 2y ago

Yeah but will you know it's been 'gamed'.

As someone else said yeah you can look at the profile that is zapping to check legitimacy of acct and whatnot. But if there is a point where a feed is 'ranked' by zaps. It could put a lot of spam in there by boosting their own junk.

Just being devils advocate here. Love the idea and how zaps work. But no one is doing the good ole SWOT

falsefaucet 2y ago

Also if bob is constantly zapping Alice. On every content for absurd amounts we can probably derive bob and Alice are one in the same

Shire 2y ago

I see what you're saying, but if I keep seeing shit from someone I'll just unfollow them. Doesn't matter if they're gaming it... gaming it so they appear on my feed more often is just them paying to remind me to unfollow them.

falsefaucet 2y ago

Touche

Keysa - Simplest Bitcoin Edu 2y ago

Also been pondering on this.. no conclusions reached, but something poking at me about seeing the total amount shown.. perhaps total # of zaps better, although I know that's basically like Likes, tho also not, because effort and actual value is given with each zap

Idk, it's something about recreating a popularity culture and longing to avoid that here, while obvs wanting to acknowledge real value..

Love to hear thoughts..

falsefaucet 2y ago

I think the social aspect will weed it out on an individual level like shire and Derek said. The indivual user will just unfollow or block that acct once noticed. But the ease of firing up keypairs could make it a constant battle.

Only time will tell

We will figure it out. I have no doubts.

Shire 2y ago

How would I even see their stuff unless they're doing some kind of annoying dick reply guy thing on my notes? Those peeler get bored anyway.

falsefaucet 2y ago

If you have a feed based off zaps, like in your OP

Shire 2y ago

Only from my follows though. Why would it be anything else?

falsefaucet 2y ago

That fair.

I was thinking more so like a global filtered by zaps.

Shire 2y ago

Yea that would be useless.... all you'd see is ads.

Cpt. Charisma 2y ago

What if it's personalized based on how much you zap the poster? That can't be cheated and it's directly relevant to you.

738ea36e... 2y ago

You don't even need to pay routing fees to game it!

Watch that note again in a minute for a proof