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You don't think it can scale to large (telegram level) group chats? Now that I think of it, it's a putty that these scalability tradeoffs were not discussed in the episode, we need a round 2!

Seth For Privacy 2y ago

We did briefly touch on using it for group chats, he mentioned he doesn't recommend it for large groups for the reasons I mentioned.

The design decisions made just mean it's not ideal for large groups, but it doesn't need to serve that purpose. Why do you need anonymity, e2ee on each message, and contact isolation in a *public* chat? I think there's usually a lot of confusion on what benefits are provided by more privacy-preserving alternatives for large public group chats.

Definitely do need a round 2, though, and will absolutely be doing one!

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sommerfeld 2y ago

I understand there are tradeoffs and an initial design (narrow) scope.

However, the guest said it eloquently himself that as hardware and software improve we can dream of better things than what as initially planned.

I disagree with you that we don't need to be anonymous/private in public large group chats.

You choose to use the same nym in all of them and that is your decision.

But others might not feel comfortable being in 2 conflicting groups knowing that 1 of the participants might cross check the social graph and find out a bunch of groups you are on as well.

Seth For Privacy 2y ago

Easy nyms for each group are probably the best feature in SimpleX for that, and the only real reason why group chats might be worth it to me.

I'd definitely be interested if they were able to provide a server for groups that offloaded the network/compute necessary as he mentioned them wanting to do! That might make it a solid fit for large groups as well, at least for those willing to host a simple server.