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Employers don't really care about a degree. They care about accomplishments - even the beginnings of accomplishments. Even 40 years ago, no employer ever even glanced at my diploma. Even when I stuck it in front of their face (I worked hard on that thing - what a waste). What they did care about:

* used small language model to generate buzzword compliant sociology papers garnering B+

* used QR factorization to model dN/dR for particle size distribution in the atmosphere for my dad

* wrote a popular multi-player game in college

* etc

.. you may or may not be a math geek. But the key is to DO things, not sit in lectures (most of which I did not attend - unless they were actually useful).

I had the opportunity to try farm work with an innovative farmer. He avoided minimum wage nonsense by exchanging our initially unskilled labor for a discount on the organic veggies we helped plant, weed, harvest. (I was too thorough and slow for harvest - so was put on weeding duty, where that trait is helpful.) I wish I had started learning about (real, organic) farming earlier! I'm 65 and just getting started.

As you do things, you may discover enough market for your output that you don't actually need to work for someone. Of course, then you have the navigate the maze of government interference with workers actually owning a "means of production." You might have to hire an expert to deal with it ...

From your other comment, you tried hvac - good! You discovered why the dirty and dangerous jobs are more often taken by males. I would note that plumbing is similar. All the plumbers I have hired have had massive upper body strength from hauling steel bathtubs, water heaters, etc. This does not bode well for most female practitioners.

In the 19th century, women would often manage a farm, researching the science, what to plant where and when, and hire men to actually wrangle a horse drawn plow, or harvest grain. The women would work in a kitchen garden, which required more brains and less brawn.

i did hvac for almost 6 years. i’m almost 5’11.

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This may sound old fashioned, but a lot of the tradesmen I have hired have worked for themselves, and their wives, who had also worked the trade and understood it, did the invoicing, accounting, customer calls, etc. Teamwork for the win!

One of my projects is open source (and more importantly, self custodial - not SAS) accounting tailored to the tradesmen who have told me their troubles in that vein. E.g. printing invoices in the field is a win. Not all customers are happy with email, and you need a signed paper. And if you hand write the invoice, then your wife/accountant has to double enter it.

no like i was a repairman. i did the dirty work. it wasn’t hard. just not for me.

and there’s actually a lot of women in the field who do the WORK, not the accounting. have you ever done any trades jobs like hvac?

Nope. Only hired them. I'm the skinny math geek. I do my own electrical work for 110V. I hire a pro for 220V. I do my own minor plumbing repairs. I used to do my own car repairs, including rebuilding the engine. But I got rid of my car (wife still has one) in 2005 and got a bicycle. Car was too expensive for commuting, and I actually got a little bit of muscle.

Our family was officially below the Virginia "poverty" line. I could have had more effective income by working part time in retail and taking the "earned income credit" and sending our girls to government schools. That last was the deal breaker. (I would also likely have been fired from retail as I don't have much patience for fools and "Karens".)

I'm in a similar position. Was laid off in 2020, and only making a few thousand a year on hourly jobs. All the jobs here in the Shadow of Mordor are things like "building the CBDC", "vaccine passports", "correlating phone GPS with political orientation based on social media posts", "new weapons for defense industry", etc. That last is actually Constitutional, but not for me. I can't keep secrets and don't like modern weapons. And the "military industrial complex" is currently VERY addicted to escalating cash flows from endless wars.

I lived with roommates to be able to pay for college while working without debt. We were the "Five Guys". Too bad we didn't trademark it. We also cooked and catered parties. These were all Christian guys. It was the tail end of the Jesus Revolution in the 70s. Check out the excellent movie of the same name. It is very accurate. I often visited Calvary Chapel while living in CA.

Today, the price of college is ridiculously inflated. If you don't have the cash, don't do it. Even if you do have the cash, it is usually a bad investment today because it is so overpriced. Do an alternative (online classes) to actually learn stuff. And keep a portfolio of accomplishments - much more persuasive than a degree.