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HI've noticed on Threads, Bluesky, and even some apps here on Nostr that I’m shown a lot more content from people I’m not following. This is often due to reposts, quote posts, or just the algorithms at work. While this content can be engaging and spark conversations, it’s often not healthy.

I see people posting obviously or maybe obliviously wrong things, which then get corrected and boosted, creating a vicious cycle. For example, someone mentioned considering a hyphenated name for their kids. I shared how my hyphenated name caused issues with computers, especially with international travel. This led to many calling me a bigot because the original poster was a queer woman. It’s odd because I’m queer myself, but it seems they felt an amab queer shouldn’t share personal experiences directly related to the topic.

I also saw clickbait articles about triathletes vomiting at the end of an Olympic triathlon, blaming it on a polluted river. Yes, the river is polluted, but triathletes often throw up at the end of races, and the swim was two hours before the nausea hit.

These issues occurred on Twitter too, but I didn’t experience it the same way there. I used Twitter daily from the moment Jack invited me and our coworkers onto the service, and for me, the conversations were healthier. I understand that many others had negative experiences, though.

On Nostr, I see zaps often rewarding hot takes and posts that signal membership in one group or another. This seems to exacerbate the issue, as people are incentivized to make posts that cater to specific in-groups rather than fostering genuine dialogue.

My worry is that maybe we’re actually doing worse with the new platforms. Is this something other people are seeing? How do we navigate this and foster healthier online conversations?

1) Zaps don't really signal anything Nostr-native, yet, as most people follow (and therefore) zap the same handful of people that they followed over here from Twitter or that were in the "recommended follows" list, when they got here. It's all quite insular.

2) It's relatively rare for someone to get followed or zapped regularly because they are providing some value "on Nostr". There's only a small handful, who have accomplished that feat, who aren't devs of popular clients or one of the oldest accounts, and we basically had to work at it like it's a part-time job because discovery is so bad on here.

3) Hot takes that appeal to the ingroup get reposted because they are low-risk to the reposter. Truly novel or interesting material, that might unsettle the reader, rarely gets reposted for that reason. It reveals a tolerance or bias from the reposter than might surprise their followers. They only read that stuff in secret, often not even hitting the like.

This results in reposted notes often being the dullest notes and akin to shouting "Amen!" in a church. Lots of attention at no personal cost.

I suspect Twitter could detect such "lurker favorites" and surfaced the notes to a wider audience.

4) Topic-based discovery, and the uncovering of high-signal notes, is still abyssmal. Some teams (including ours, see #[2] and the people working with #[3]) are trying to fix that, but it requires entirely new features, events, and/or clients. It's less about traditional, dynamic "algos" and more about manual or programmatic curation of npubs and events. Akin to clustering library books onto shelves, or selecting paintings for a gallery.

5) We shouldn't expect people to be any different on here, then on any other social media, or anywhere in society. Many people can barely read fluently and most have pedestrian tastes. Some only come on here to chillax, shitpost, and find out the buzz, and get their quality reading elsewhere.

Popular culture is not high culture.

The goal should be helping someone to cultivate their variation of "a high culture feed", if they so choose, but some npubs won't want that, or only want if for particular topics or social spheres.

I live a mix of pop and high culture, depending upon my mood. Sometimes I just want to zap funny memes and crack jokes, and that's also okay.

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Agree with so much here. I remember seeing someone calculating how many zaps they got now, the predicted if nostr grew 100x that their zap amount would likewise multiply. I found this totally unimaginable. We are just beta testing zaps and a possible v4v ecosystem which doesn't exist yet really.

I don't mean to be mean, but a lot of the push and promotion of current content creators on nostr feels v forced. And that's totally fine. Again it all feels like a template for when/if those sorts of accounts actually come here organically.

It's like with Bitcoin. Laser-eyes to 100k started in February 2021. We're now at 58k, 3.5 years later.

But are you fine at €51k? 😂🙈

It’s mainly point 5. Humans + social media = multiple trigger points. Can’t really change that.