So what’s the solution? Let’s say we take an anarchic approach and end government completely, murder rates begin to raise significantly along with robbery and theft, are we capable of abandoning the dominance hierarchy that’s is literally engraved within us neurologically? How do you avoid the pendulum swing of centralisation vs decentralisation without the usage of some form of power projection?
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Show people a better way.
It’s not that simple. Psychopaths exist and always have throughout history, you need hierarchy as a human to attain goals, and if a society doesn’t have a solid foundation of hierarchical values in the pursuit of truth, prosperity and moral good, it fails. It’s failing as we speak… we can’t even agree on what constitutes a woman, which is pretty much an indicator towards borderline insanity at a systemic scale.
Psychopaths are drawn into the status quo system of hierarchy. It suits them perfectly well to not be able to define a woman when they have all the trappings of the State protecting them.
This whole shitshow needs to be rebuilt in parallel such that we can filter them out.
If you want to fix it, get ready for discomfort on a personal level.
I agree, so what’s the solution? End government? Because it’s my belief that it’s a lot more than just that… how do you stop people from positioning themselves in power and dominance hierarchies when dominance hierarchies are literally engraved in our neurological frameworks. That’s without mentioning power driven psychopaths.
Build a parallel system.
Attract millennials and younger to join us. Make it the norm for babies born today to join us rather than fiat.
Learn from the leftists who played a long game to subsume fiat. Do that in reverse. Make people want in to our system by demonstration.
We need a strong identity to reject leftists attempts to co-opt this. Zero tolerance.
Good points, education it’s definitely key.
I’m trying my best not alienate people on the political sphere, I have in the past… but the conclusion I’ve came to as a Bitcoiner is that playing the blame game isolates and alienates either side, it’s easy to say "those leftists" but I’m a firm believer that ultimately the vast majority of people just want answers and solutions.
Ideology only gets in the way of real knowledge and the power of human free thinking.
Interesting you said parallel system though I can’t lie… considering my whole point of replying to these post was my scepticism on whether or not society can actually function without some form of governance.
I’ve gone back and forth on this. Have consumed a lot of AnCap literature which says we don’t need a state but I’m siding with the neo-reactionaries like Curtis Yarvin and Pete Quinones (even though I have my disagreements).
It’s not that we need a State, it’s that we need a hierarchy because we have shittons of retards who will just become spanners in the works once we get ride of the State. Without it, we will be taken over by leftists (see note: nostr:note1cues8lh3kkvfll5zmmp2uz82up9yhhahk0pjsaqrt4wklg9wx8ps9j6fjx )
The only Defense is to have a well articulated alternative that normies want to adopt. That normies will self-enforce this if given the remit and the means which means self-responsibility and gun rights.
We’re not all equal. If you’re here on nostr engaged in deep thought on a Bitcoin future you are probably top quintile - the future financial elite. The very people who will run such a system. The bottom quintile who need their base instincts curbed are not here yet, they’re still on Facebook and Xitter and Reddit demanding everyone accede to their retardation and give free stuff to them.
You can’t get elected via fiat rails and implement this stuff. It’s only feasible to be built as a parallel system which people opt into.
So if we do need hierarchy as I’ve stated, it seems pretty plausible that ending the "State" is virtually impossible.
You create a new state in which values are resorted based upon the key values we’ve spoken about, this is where I was trying to get at in the first place tbh, the state is ultimately a value system built by people. The current state is a direct reflection of the values and incentives we have at hand, dogshit.
Spanner’s will always arise at some point, I think that’s inevitable.
Wrong. We don’t need a state. We need rules, we need structure/hierarchy, we need elites that people want to look up to.
None of that necessitates a State.
Think of Balajis Network State built on nostr with Bitcoin as Proof of Stake for participation - that’s not a State, that’s an entirely new way of being
It doesn’t, but I just can’t see how it wouldn’t, hence the reference to it being a pendulum swing, you want rules without rulers, but also a hierarchy of people of with importance…
Let’s say technology gets out of hand, a 17 year old kid develops a bomb to inflict harm, what system is better equipped:
1. A collective group of elites who are top of the hierarchy to control impose control measures like security?
2. An anarchic society who wants nothing to do with rulers, allowing the opportunity for power projection?
You sir, have the foundation of a state, albeit if based upon the values discussed a good one.
I know what the most likely outcome will be chosen.
Ignore the first control lol
So instead of living in a free world you will still want a government, thinking that will protect you.
Let me explain it very simple with a meme.
