Replying to Mindaugas

What you describe is an option, but absolute freedom (from other humans) is also an option. Not many people want it, though. Well, they want the cake (freedom), just don't want to work to cook it nor deal with the extra calories and other side effects that come with it :).

What you describe as pleasure vs. meaning, Buddha described one level up in the Four Noble Truths. There is suffering, but there is also a path to ending suffering.
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Mindaugas 2y ago

Btw, there are different types of animals that prefer absolute freedom much more than humans do, e.g. the felidae family.

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Laser 2y ago

Nobody is free from death.

Nobody is free from starvation.

Nobody is free from sustenance.

Nobody is free from labor.

Nobody is free from truth.

Nobody is free from God.

Freedom exists on a plane.

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Mindaugas 2y ago

True, but that is in line with what I wrote. I wrote absolute freedom FROM OTHER HUMANS, not from the nature that includes all those things that you listed. And this is a very important distinction: freedom from other humans and freedom from nature. Many people confuse these freedoms and as a result form unreasonable expectations.

Some get confused when you say there is no absolute freedom - they think they must depend on other humans (not true). Others get confused when I say there is absolute freedom from other humans: they overlook the "other humans" part and get upset when they realize they still have to work and eventually die.