You are basically talking about the doxxic change from whirlpool. Do you know that the mixed bitcoin can not be spend with the doxxic change in the same transaction?
The whole point is, that after one mix there are no deterministic links
Whirlpool leaves deterministic links because it peels the change during the tx0 used to create sized equal outputs. I just unmixed the Whirlpool transaction from your screenshot to reveal the change: https://mempool.space/tx/323df21f0b0756f98336437aa3d2fb87e02b59f1946b714a7b09df04d429dec2
Address bc1qgwv9hn979rex0rhfp3cknfdkyrgk04493gclvv belonging to Whirlpool input 1 created 0.01346981 BTC in traceable change which has 100% deterministic links to bc1qjy3zud5c7qypvgccgvptvaxkcsg6g4jl3u4tdy
Address bc1q528pyda90y4j9nuqrcm65rlxz9txljtn208dqm belonging to Whirlpool input 3 created 0.01971146 BTC in traceable change which has 100% deterministic links to bc1q50akm6ggcwgjext09tuz0rcl6cya2huu70pef4
Feel free to post any other Whirlpool tx ids and I'll unmix them too.
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In reality you unmix nothing.
BUT we can talk about the Address Reuses in Wasabi, this topic would be interesting, right?
What do you mean "I unmix nothing"? I just showed you the exact addresses and exact amounts belonging to two of the Whirlpool participants. This information would have been hidden in a WabiSabi coinjoin, but Whirlpool leaks it.
You just explained how a TX0 works. Congrats. That is nothing special ;) Just read the docu again. I'm pretty sure you will learn alot
Exactly. Instead of peeling your change with tx0 to make it traceable, WabiSabi makes EVERY spend a coinjoin. Leftover change gets turned into amounts of equal sizes which can't be linked to the original input.
It makes nothing traceable. You have really no clue how Whirlpool works, right? You are just talking about the TX0. You can't unmix a Whirlpool TX ;)
What do you mean "it makes nothing traceable?" I literally just traced the exact addresses and amounts of inputs with a 100% deterministic link to each of the new Whirlpool entrants.
If their coordinator upgraded from Whirlpool to WabiSabi, they would not have created these traceable links.
You have rwlly absolut no clue, that's a shame. I guess you do bad PR and nothing more because otherwise Wasabi should fire you immediatly
Your are showing something like this
https://kycp.org/#/416da38ee147bdc86fd543a474315be920f1138df44560a56bfc3346a7c436df
Btw this is a Wasabi CJ with merges ...
Yes. As you can see from the Wasabi coinjoin, ALL of the coins are made private, so there is no way to unpeel it like I just did with the Whirlpool coinjoin to reveal the new entrants' change addresses.
Senseless with you as you don't understand the Whirlpool concept.
And merges are not very smart ;) But we end this discussion now because you don't understand it
Why aren't merges of private coins smart? It's still private since you keep the lowest anonymity score of the inputs you merge to create a transaction.
Holy shit dude this is like privacy 101 😂
Go ahead and explain privacy 101 then: If I'm a Whirlpool user with two 0.5 BTC mixed outputs and I need to make a 1 BTC payment, how do I spend my coins without merging them?
He has really no clue about whirlpool. Told him 5 times or more to read the Samourai docu. He talks about things which are official documented.
If Whirlpool's deterministic links to doxxic change are "officially documented", then stop falsely advertising the coinjoins as having no deterministic links on nostr.
Exactly. Unlike Whirlpool, WabiSabi has zero deterministic links: No doxxic change is ever created at all.
But Address Reuses and they are working with Chainalysis and are falling in love with censorship
Why doesn't the coordinator of Whirlpool coinjoins upgrade their protocol to coordinate WabiSabi coinjoins instead? This upgrade would eliminate their creation of this doxxic change.
Because Whirlpool works perfect and it's the best solution we have.
Whirlpool is obviously not perfect since I just unmixed the change.
ALL change gets mixed in WabiSabi coinjoins (unless there is a single input worth more than all other inputs combined).
Here's the WabiSabi transaction, look for yourself and try to unmix the change like I did for the Whirlpool coinjoin:
https://mempool.space/tx/01a1a055719129397fb8344b5a09e6cfe72868c8e1d750e621d8b580c96bf77b