Arguing with socialists is a futile endeavour. Regardless of what empirical evidence/data you provide them to refute their arguments they just parrot the same leftist tropes over and over. I have had better luck debating with my 4 year old when it is time to leave the playground.

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I guess that goes for anyone that follows an ideology. Anyone that believes in a religion, nationalist/tribal/historical identity, Covidianism, Medical interpretations of behavior and ethics such as followers of the DSM. You can convince none of them of anything. We live in fantasyland