Replying to Avatar Lyn Alden

“We should change Bitcoin now in a contentious way to fix the security budget” is basically the same tinkering mentality that central bankers have.

It begins with an overconfident assumption that they know fees won’t be sufficient in the future and that a certain “fix” is going to generate more fees. But some “fixes” could even backfire and create less fees, or introduce bugs, or damage the incentive structure.

The Bitcoin fee market a couple decades out will primarily be a function of adoption or lack thereof. In a world of eight billion people, only a couple hundred million can do an on chain transaction per year, or a bit more with maximal batching. The number of people who could do a monthly transaction is 1/12th of that number. In order to be concerned that bitcoin fees will be too low to prevent censorship in the future, we have to start with the assumption that not many people use bitcoin decades out.

Fedwire has about 100x the gross volume that Bitcoin currently does, with a similar number of transactions. What will Bitcoin’s fee market be if volumes go up 5x or 10x, let alone 50x or 100x? Who wants to raise their hand with a confident model of what bitcoin volumes will be in 2040?

What will someone pay to send a ten million dollar equivalent on chain settlement internationally? $100 in fees per million dollar settlement transaction would be .01%. $300 to get it in a quicker block would be 0.03%. That type of environment can generate tens of billions of dollars of fees annually. The fees that people pay to ship millions of dollars of gold long distances, or to perform a real estate transaction worth millions of dollars, are extremely high. Even if bitcoin is a fraction of that, it would be high by today’s standards. And in a world of billions of people, if nobody wants to pay $100 to send a million dollar settlement bearer asset transaction, then that’s a world where not many people use bitcoin period.

In some months the “security budget” concern trends. In other months, the “fees will be so high that only rich people can transact on chain” concern trends. These are so wildly contradictory and the fact that both are common concerns shows how little we know about the long term future.

I don’t think the fee market can be fixed by gimmicks. Either the network is desirable to use in a couple decades or it’s not. If 3 or 4 decades into bitcoin’s life it can’t generate significant settlement volumes, and gets easily censored due to low fees, then it’s just not a very desirable network at that point for one reason or another.

Some soft forks like covenants can be thoughtfully considered for scaling and fee density, and it’s good for smart developers to always be thinking about low risk improvements to the network that the node network and miners might have a high consensus positive view toward over time. But trying to rush VC-backed softforks, and using security budget FUD to push them, is pretty disingenuous imo.

Anyway, good morning.

手续费是比特币的货币属性,并非投资部分,一切取决于比特币作为货币应用而非投资品的推广。 nostr:note1855wuu6jw52enwfpcxzu3xgcajcjpenug642k43am2kq69jc3efqquea6g

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英文里的这个观点:有关安全预算的问题,就是顺其自然,让他自生自灭了。。。

我希望鼓励当钱来用,而不是当投资品,nostr生态里很多应用鼓励的就是当钱用,zap也是当钱用。

当钱的前提是价格稳定,价格稳定的前提是大量机构入场,采用率到顶。感觉还遥遥无期

这个说法还是法币本位,当钱用要按币本位思考,关心购买价值对等而不是法币价格,nostr上zap就是个很好的例子,打赏不是因为觉得某个note值多少美元,而是单纯的赋予sat价值,所以有人会选择2100sat之类,这是币本位思考了。

这个过程的确不容易,但相信比特币的人中间总有人在选择和被选择,就像当年的比特币买披萨去实现价值发现很重要。

若比特币只能用来储值,安全性会随着市值增加日益降低。