Nostr Web Client

As far as I know, damus notedeck is the only client that has the ability to reveal 0 information about your nostr activity to relays, via the local relay model.

The idea is since the UI is only updated from local subscriptions, you can create a remote filter that reveals no information: {}. and simply negentropy sync everything in the past hour/day (sync is wip still)

This will stream all updates to your local node and ingest the notes into your local db, updating the real, private local subscriptions on your ui.

This is kind of like a bitcoin node: monitoring all incoming blocks and updating your local balance, without revealing anything about your wallet to the network.

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Vitor Pamplona 8mo ago

Notedeck needs to hit the inbox and outbox of every user to update itself. If you are downloading those things, it can be tracked.

the axiom 8mo ago

notedeck can use negentropy to become a mini primal

then nostr:nprofile1qqsr9cvzwc652r4m83d86ykplrnm9dg5gwdvzzn8ameanlvut35wy3gpzdmhxw309aex2mrp0yhx5c34x5hxxmmdqyxhwumn8ghj7mn0wvhxcmmvqyg8wumn8ghj7mn0wd68ytnvv9hxgpywa92 can finally be friends with nostr:nprofile1qqstd9s0e0ruq3fkhjv02hzgm8ulae2es0nlwc7py3zn4aeg47prz8gpzpmhxue69uhkummnw3ezuamfdejszyrhwden5te0dehhxarj9ekxzmnyqyv8wumn8ghj7urjv4kkjatd9ec8y6tdv9kzumn9wsaqeyhh

Vitor Pamplona 8mo ago

Sure, but most relays will never implement negentropy. Especially those that WANT to track you.

jb55 8mo ago

The just a fetch all query with timed based pagination? There are ways.

Vitor Pamplona 8mo ago

I kinda want to build a homomorphically encrypted data & filter on Nostr 2.0 so that the relay never knows what's happening. :)

richard 6mo ago

have you started looking into this? ive seen there are a few libraries to do homomorphic encryption

Vitor Pamplona 6mo ago

No, but I hope somebody does.

jb55 8mo ago

yeah but if you do “pull everything” (which might be reasonable for smaller relays) it is at least the minimum amount of information revealed

the axiom 8mo ago

so notedeck is the only client that can do something it hasnt implemented?

jb55 8mo ago

I said “ability”, I have a branch with this working, just trying to find the right ui for it. I’m thinking it could be a special mode you enable. “Private mode”? Uses more bandwidth is the tradeoff

wizeguyy 8mo ago

Any concern about this enabling pedos?

kpr797 8mo ago

We need more tech like this in Nostr land.

ManiMe 8mo ago

Wow. Didn’t know this. 👀