Indeed, communication isn't great. 💯
Now AFAIK only one side has been (still is)
- sueing people calling out their BS
- doxxing pseudonymous developers
- censoring / blocking systematically (Twitter, ...)
- collaborating with chain surveillance, censoring tx.
- sponsoring iNfLuEnCeRs like crazy 💰💰💰
Not saying other team aren't spooks. I have no idea. For all we know, everyone could be.
But this can't be ignored, and explains the heat they get in return. Justified.
If you're really interested, with a quick search you'll find plenty of arguments &, blog posts about the coinjoin protocols, etc. I'm not going to start a new one here.
Go use the tools, read and talk on their Telegram where communication is much nicer.
Regardless of the temper of some devs, one project is actually good. Still has trade-offs, and that's okay.
Other project is actually a clown show.
It's muddy, so if you don't like it or don't care, just don't talk about it like it's not important. It's *very* important.
Now if you want to know more, just get dirty and learn. It's totally worth the effort and the mud :)
Or maybe check this out first? This episode was... Special 🤯
https://www.podpage.com/citadeldispatch/citadel-dispatch-e015-bitcoin/
By clown show do you mean that using one project will not deliver on chain privacy?
Because that’s really the most important question is it not?
My understanding (and I have done research, though my understanding could be flawed) is that proper use of both tools delivers privacy
"privacy" is a spectrum. Just like security.
It's not binary and full of nuances / trade-offs.
I'm afraid you'll have to decide for yourself after DYOR, because we don't necessarily have the same appreciation of all that.
My own research led me to the conclusion that Whirlpool protocol is sound, Samourai Wallet is good, and Wasabi is garbage, all things considered.
Samourai may be spooks. Probably not but IDK, and IDC. Their software & protocol are solid and opensource.
Listen to an interview of Samourai Wallet (on Stephan Livera podcast or elsewhere). And an interview of Nopara (Citadel Dispatch ep.15 🤯)
Then decide for yourself who's serious and who's a total clown. Shouldn't be too hard :)
Sorry but not willing to have an exhaustive and exhausting discussion on the topic here. It's pretty late and it's been done countless times.
Let's just say that having equal denominations matters.
Free remixes and incentives matters. (Deterring Sybil attacks etc.)
Not working with fucking chain analysis matters !!! Regardless of what wasabi degens say about it. This is insane, period.
Now yes, if everyone uses Whirlpool without running their own Dojo, that's a problem. I believe this is very far from being the case. Regardless of Wasabi propaganda.
Try both and decide. Look beyond the UX. Read the code if you can.
...or just use JoinMarket. Problem solved :)
Ok, I listened to the podcast and reviewed the documentation for the two projects. I plan to use whirlpool to test it once my new node syncs.
Agreed that nopara doesn’t come across as very trustworthy. The sybil attack via the coordinator mixing was not something I was aware of, and agree that needs to be made clear as a huge trust assumption.
My feeling is that the chain analysis thing with Wasabi is usually misrepresented by critics. They’re a business protecting themselves from the liabilities of facilitating illegal activities. Govs don’t fuck around with that shit. I’m not going to judge them because I don’t know
their situation (family, jurisdiction, etc).
On the Samourai side, the obvious big thing is the sharing of xpubs. But I think that is fairly represented as a trade off.
Overall the ideal is to use join market like you said, and if that’s not a possibility Samourai would be my recommendation. But, I would also recommend Wasabi for someone who is really bad technically. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
