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Although it sounds a little bit like communism, the community might be really good if it has some strict code or strong value system, like the religion has.

Unfortunately human nature or at least most of the humans tend to try to bend the rules for their comfort or profit.

Currently we are part of so called parents cooperative, where the parents have established a kindergarten for the kids, we cook the food on schedule, we clean, we pay to rent the house, we pay wages to the teachers. But we have the saying what our kids will learn during the day, what type of games they will have and so on.

We have responsibilities and we have freedom of choice.

I love it.

But then, there are this group of parents that their kids will go to school this fall.

They are now bending the rules so their kids can continue visiting the coop in the afternoon. They take space that would be for the newcomers. And most importantly, their kids need different activities than the 2-5 years old ones. And they don’t take naps and they are noisy when the little ones should be sleeping. And tons of other issues.

So we are moving out, unfortunately.

So yeah - community yes! But with strict code!

SovereigntyQuest 2y ago

Interesting. Sometimes seems humans organising themselves is like cats being herded. Maybe those parents you mentioned could contribute more $ so that a new space can be built for them and with it a new teacher to cater to the older kids?

I was thinking recently about how establishing connections amongst bitcoiners is first. What I mean or how I was thinking is that rather than living all together, packing up and going off in some 'experimental commune" with all it's potential tensions and problems, we would benefit from living somewhat just as we are now but being able to call a plumber, electrician, doctor, buying products, buying food from farmers, etc.......all who use bitcoin. In that way we remain somewhat free to live as we like but are able to grow that p2p relationship through Bitcoin. I wasn't really suggesting living "outside" of conventional society like the Amish do but I was inspired by the video where, when there was a need to come together, it was possible to gather so many people in short time to help someone out. I'm in no way smart enough to know how human societies could or should evolve and being smart hasn't proved to be necessarily of benefit when "visionaries" have tried it in the past. I know what doesn't work and I believe that Bitcoin could play a role in helping correct at least what is so dysfunctional in the Fiat system.

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MadGrowr 2y ago

Bitcoin is not a magic wand to solve all issues, you are right.

What you are suggesting for being able to pay for services would be great if the UniParty doesn’t put their aim on #Bitcoin and it’s users, but unfortunately, in the West I believe they will try to shut it down.

And to be able to continue your and yours family life as a sovereigns, we might need to flee and find new home where life is similar to our vision.

But also with a friend we discuss similar topics for human nature and society health etc.

He was suggesting that maybe part of the human experience and the fate of humanity is to be faced to make choices between good and evil that might have many shapes during the ages.

To be able to concur the bad traits of humanity in yourself might be what we have to face always as humans.

SovereigntyQuest 2y ago

"And to be able to continue your and yours family life as a sovereigns, we might need to flee and find new home where life is similar to our vision."

I want to be optimistic that they just clean up the crypto crap and introduce reasonable regulation around Bitcoin but I'm increasingly seeing the incumbent power players seemingly intent on fighting Bitcoin too. I am open to being reassured that it's not so doom and gloom as regards Bitcoin regulation. Let's see if more nations see the opportunity to attract Bitcoiners like El Salvador has done. I don't consider Dubai, HK, Singapore as being part of that opportunity.

MadGrowr 2y ago

Yeah, we will definitely see. Luckily or not it will happen in our lifetime

SovereigntyQuest 2y ago

I'd be interested to know how many bitcoiners would or are seriously considering moving to El Salvador

MadGrowr 2y ago

I would if I could make my wife go