How do I still not see anyone other than myself calling out people's bullshit for calling random encryption functions "end to end" constantly? Who else is out there? Does anyone have an example of themselves or a high profile person calling out this bullshit publicly? #asknostr
Reminder: "apps" can't do end to end encryption, and if you need that explained, then you must try to repair the damage done to your brain's language center living under corrupt lying authorities
Yeah man, totally. Pssh imagine not knowing why apps can't do end to end. Ridiculous....
It's an app
It can't encrypt anything so it can't do end to end encryption
If it was an app for a single platform that does end to end encryption, that wouldn't make it an app that does end to end encryption, that would make it an app that does encryption on a platform that does end to end encryption
But it's never even an app for a platform that does end to end encryption
It's always an app for a consumer OS with potential software backdoors running on a wide variety of consumer devices from a wide variety of manufacturers with a wide variety of potential hardware backdoors so there's no assurance of any encryption involved being end to end at all
And none of this is really new information to you
This is just connecting the dots on what some words mean and you already know what those words mean, so you have to think about how it got to this point
I think I see your meaning. Need to mull it over before I reply with something useful.
I agree with you 99.9% that .1 goes to thinking about how we got to this point. That's a debatable that can go on forever we started in the medeval ages with information whisperers knowing people's business has been a thing since the dawn of society. The real thing we need to think about is how do we stop it. Instead of we can't it should begin what code can we use to write a complex safeguard?
Code can't safeguard against the hardware it runs on
No amount of complexity gets around the possibility a device manufacturer can just view visual feeds of the device's cameras and display outputs
We need to teach people more hardware training. I honestly wish someone would teach me hands on. You have no idea how terrified I am to build my own computer because i'm afraid I will put something in place then screw it closed & I will hear SNAP!
Teaching people more is definitely the key to all this 🔑
You might want to try upgrading an old computer for practice before building a new one
Look I honestly don't even know what it is.
All I know is that Facebook messager uses my data to train AI so whatever the fuck end to end encryption means does not matter because they are already breaching my privacy to train AI, and they also sell the data to authoritarian regimes to help them coordinate atrocities against minorities.
So yeah the term end to end encryption just seems like meaningless buzzwords to me
Nostr occupies a kinda funny ground though, since events are encrypted locally by your own key, and thus travel the wire in a verifiably encrypted way. Thus when it arrives at the other end of the wire, even sans SSL/HTTPS, that thang is encrypted… end-to-end.
Totally agree with your underlying gripe though. The general public is being misled and misinformed by tag words like “end-to-end encryption”.
We all here take up the flag of educating the people with computer and cryptographic wisdom, in some way, as Nostr users. Good call-out!
Nostr runs on consumer electronics, nostr users can't encrypt anything end-to-end
Will you expand on that?
This applies if you pick a nostr app nostr:nevent1qvzqqqqqqypzqamkcvk5k8g730e2j6atadp6mxk7z4aaxc7cnwrlkclx79z4tzygqy2hwumn8ghj7un9d3shjtnyv9kh2uewd9hj7qgewaehxw309ac8yetdd96k6tnswf5k6ctv9ehx2ap0qqsx8q6gncehgt6gc2mlxu3u6ksth6l95nqqlge2ngfanc729g50vzgf6p0rl
Ah yes, that clarifies it certainly. Thank you
