Nostr has never gotten as decentralized and censorship-resistant as the plethora of javascript-free onion services you can post on with Tor.

Nostr has never even had a single javascript-free onion service, let alone a diverse range of separately-rehosted options, let alone a diverse range of separately-made-and-maintained options like you have with random Tor sites.

The deal on nostr for a long time has been that you're supposed to expect it to get better in the future and end up beating these onion services, starting with an interconnected network as the main advantage.

Instead of a bunch of isolated sites sprinkled around without connecting to each other, you have "relay servers" and "clients" that are supposed to see each other's posts. Today's early version creates more problems than it solves, with most of the devs relying on GitHub and shit like that, but starting with an interconnected network is supposed to lead to solving more problems in the future, including integration with Tor itself, allowing nostr to finally break even with and then pull ahead of the plethora of JavaScript-free onion services that don't connect to each other.

Sadly, nostr so far is basically just a scam. People with actual intent to make it work have never been able to make progress anywhere near as fast as the central crew of nostr grifters pumping out broken shit, and the horde of zombie nostr users that prefer broken shit anyway. We're still waiting to see if there are enough functioning adults interested in software development and social media to eventually gather a serious number here.

Lately, people seem to be fragmenting the "relay server" network so that it becomes the exact same thing as an array of random sites that don't connect to each other. This is an extreme low point for the one advantage nostr ever had over random Tor forums.

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Fiatjaf recently made this post driving this issue to get worse, but he framed it as being about "not following anyone" so that it might slip past me unnoticed, because I've been using nostr for over a year without following anyone.

I usually use nostr with a global view that's just a direct feed of relays, so fiatjaf's post would be easy for me to mistake as just promoting my way of nostring without crediting me, which would be fine, but I don't think that's it.

I think he was actually implying more people should join in being like "fuck decentralization, let's have nostr just be a honeypot of random JavaScript-based message boards pretending to offer some kind of censorship resistance for people who don't know enough about Tor to use something better."

I think I follow you with the Tor/onion stuff, nostr privacy isn't what you'd like it to be. For now it's a trade off over fragmented functional scattered tor services. But regarding javascript, is the concern that using the language opens up to too many vulnerabilities or something like that?

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JavaScript is known for a lot of vulnerabilities, so it doesn't work with Tor browser set to the safest security setting, and I think devs want to do a future version of Tor browser where JavaScript never works regardless of settings

I see. Always thought you were uniquely concerned with JS for niche reasons, but from the little I understand this sounds rather significant. Thanks

I've had people bring it up as the reason they're resistant to the purple pill in some chats, and then a js free Tor browser instantly having no working nostr clients would definitely make people divided on it until solved