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Explain bone cancer in children, please.
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freeborn | ἐλεύθερος | 8r0gwg 1y ago

Explain where math came from. Or matter. Or personality, for that matter. Joy, flavor, song, a perfectly synchronized universal life support system, photosynthesis, fruit having their seeds within them, a meteorological water purification system, love, grace? All accidents?

Your question is a dodge. We live in a fallen world that suffers from sickness and decay and corruption because WE rebelled against HIM. Bone cancer exists because WE did that. Not Him. We chose this.

Then he came to save us anyway.

"Evil"? Not this God. Amazing GRACE.

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Abstract Equilibrium 1y ago

I don't like the hubris that Christianity demands of it's followers. To borrow some capitalization: WE aren't that special in this world

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freeborn | ἐλεύθερος | 8r0gwg 1y ago

If one assumes that we *cannot* know the truth, then I can see how the above might come across as hubris (which is a rather ironic choice of words).

But I woud respond, the assumption that we cannot know is itself an exclusive claim to absolute truth. How do you know with such absolute certainty that there is no God, or that if there was he *couldn't* communicate clearly with his own creatures? Have you lived long enough and traveled far enough to inspect every inch of what exists such that you can make an absolute proclamation about what is (or is not)? Of course not--you are finite.

The truth is that he is, and he has, so we can know. To receive this knowledge is actually humility: it was given and we accept it as such. We then actually "know our place" accurately, and occupy it humbly and with gratitude (and that is the opposite of hubris).

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Abstract Equilibrium 1y ago

I never believed there wasn't a god, and as long as "we" means trees, rocks, helium, humans (without any special status among the rest), and everything else in gods domain, then we probably agree on everything.

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Beefy 1y ago

If I say your god is evil, do you think I am going to hell?

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freeborn | ἐλεύθερος | 8r0gwg 1y ago

Scripture says that, yes. But why would you choose that when a way of escape is offered to you?

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Beefy 1y ago

Because I do not worship power. Don't care if you're an omnipotent being or not. Power is not deserving of worship. Nothing is.