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Or when you manage thousands of customers. The NFDB relay is optimized for thousands of small ones as well.

It has a medium fixed cost, but the marginal costs are lower.

decentralization and small business/orgs need the small stuff, but big business needs bigger stuff. the approaches are complementary. small simple relays that are easy to set up and manage have a lower marginal cost in HR for a small user, and for the overall picture, a more resilient network, the decentralization/censorship resistance (and smaller attack surface for taking down many small targets, big systems are easier to do more damage).

the way it's played out over the history of internet services has been very clear. the more you centralize, the more brittle the system becomes.

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Silberengel 6mo ago

We're trying to offer a system that has both and stores the information they need more often more close to the invidividual person's computer, with the information getting more and more concentrated, the closer you get to the central servers.

That means that all data is still available on SOME RELAY SOMEWHERE IN THE SYSTEM, even if the middle drops out, and people wouldn't notice the central server going down for a while, as data could be repopulated from the outside-in.

semisol 6mo ago

If you look at it, for any large or small scale system, the probability of failure relative to scale becomes lower in larger systems.

For small scale systems, they individually seem more reliable, but if you put 500 customers on 500 systems compared to 1 system, the former will have a higher overall failure rate.

The probability of experiencing downtime as an individual with a large system is not much different than a small system. But if a big system fails, more people notice, and it feels bigger.

With small systems, the frustration is spread out over a large time period, and so it feels like it never happens.

The distributed systems world has figured this out ages ago and this is why there is fault isolation, so that failures are contained, and become another ignored blip.

Silberengel 6mo ago

Yes, but Nostr takes it a step further with the signed, atomic events. Adds another layer of possibility.

What a local relay does is allow you to work offline and create a local hub. I'm the test case, as I commute on a 2,5 hour train ride through internet black-holes, so I need an app that automatically syncs, when the Internet "turns on" and then switches back to local-only, when we go through a tunnel or something.

Also, just fuck the constant wss streaming. Nostrudel or Amethyst are polling over 100 relays, simultaneously, and Primal connects so horribly, that my browser crashes. GB and GB of text messages, every damn day. Mobile plan is empty within a week, and then I've got 3 weeks of snail-mail Internet connections. Great.

Silberengel 6mo ago

AND THE BATTERY USAGE OMG

semisol 6mo ago

Nostr is an AP system. And for many things, who the fuck cares? Nostr is not meant to handle financial TXs or other OLTP workloads anyway, if you want that go use a database.

Silberengel 6mo ago

Nostr is a communications protocol, so you always have a database. The data has to be parked, someplace, before it can be relayed or fetched, after all.

This is about the efficiency of moving the information around.