Pro-russia people are sick as fuck. Ukraine has the right of self determination like any other nation

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Nobody from nato or the east gives a shit about the people, are you kdding? They are the real victims in this manufactured conflict - countless dead so that the "good" west can "self-determine" the people there instead of the "bad" putin. They are all shit, bro. The war is a blessing to western interests, wake up.

You can question the NATO involvement and expenditures in this war but this don't change the fact that Ukraine is the victim here

AFAK who started invading Ukraine was the Russia under the orders of Putin, not NATO or any western country. Therefore the aggressor here is the Russia. This is a simple logic you can follow

The state of ukraine is the victim?

Good thing the "free" west is there now, to help them "self determine"

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