It's built on top of Bitcoin though. With this argument one could argue that Lightning isn't bitcoin either.

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Lightning - Bitcoin is first locked into a payment channel on the main Bitcoin blockchain. Once the channel is open, users can conduct an unlimited number of transactions off-chain within that channel.

Cashu - Utility tokens that are redeemable for Bitcoin. They are an IOU or digital cash equivalent secured by a trusted (or federated) mint, which is a key difference from holding the Bitcoin itself in your non-custodial wallet. This introduces an element of custody and trust in the mint operator that is not present in running a node.

Yep. And the mint can rug and use fractional reserves at will.

Gotta disagree with you there Derek. Or make a clarifying statement. If it’s lightning and on my personal node it’s settled.

Cashu in a mint isn’t settled and can be rugged and used as a fractional reserve.

We can potentially say that a custodial Lightning payment or holding is similar. But that’s still bitcoin. Cashu is a ledger. And the mint just “says” it has X number of sats.