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Was in a debate with a statist at work today. Every time she sensed I had a logical argument that actually addressed her problem with what I was saying, she would change the subject or equivocate between words or put words in my mouth that we had already established were not things I asserted. She did so many mental gymnastics, I've seldom ever seen such a display up close and in person to such an extent.

At some point she said "just because you believe something doesn't make it true," after demonstrating that she believes stuff just because other people believe it, like majority rule. She became so done with me I had to push her to let me respond to that after a Gish gallop of nonsense and calling me an idealist, ironically. When she finally let me respond I said something to the effect of, "yes, just because you believe something doesn't make it true; just because you believe the majority rule system that violates the consent of the minority that we have is the best option doesn't make that true, and you have not demonstrated any reason whatsoever why it is better, therefore you have failed to defend your position one iota, even if I failed to convince you of mine: you lose this debate, or at least you have not won."

This was also after attacking my goal of theorizing about "pointless" or "useless" things and ignored my logical arguments about why scientific theory is necessary for the engineer to fix a broken machine, even if he cannot create a perfect machine.

I made it clear she knows I don't think of her as a reasonable person and I said goodbye (this was all after shift for funzies, she likes to debate with people a lot, but she doesn't like to intellectualize in a way honest with her self, I now see)

This is the face of evil. Willful ignorance. Which she projected on me of course. Fiat Christians kind of irk me but I couldn't help but laugh at how pathetic her retreats into mental backflips were. It may work on less logical people, because she is genuinely intelligent, but it will never work on me.

When you said:

"she believes stuff just because other people believe it, like

majority rule"

Do you mean to say that when a majority comes to a consensus on a particular issue that she believes the outcome, or that she believes in the process?

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That she believes in the process of majority rule, I think largely because it is consensus among voices she listens to. She also has to believe she is right and can't let herself become aware that consensus is often wrong. I suspect large aspects of her self identity are anchored in that extremely weak foundation, such as her religious convictions.

women are very prone to accepting majority rule because that's how their minds work. they want to be in the middle of the flock, not standing out. i was even observing this last night with a woman here on nostr, venerating being "normal".

just one of the million things that mean that women are the last people we should be giving a vote to. they just act like a herd, they don't have any reason for it other than "it's what my friends all think"

seriously though, easiest way to destroy the function of democracy is to let women vote. when it's only men who vote, they at least hold their own position mostly because of how the results of the decision will impact their lives. the women are shielded from this. second step after giving them the vote is to convince them that they don't need men at all, and they can be the boss and make the decisions.

of course they don't make any decisions, they just agree with the majority of voices they listen to. so when you put them in charge in an organisation, you pretty much are really giving the power to the most vocal and fearful women in the organisation.

Yeah that is a dynamic that happens, roughly speaking. But this is just true of any fiat normies, moreso than women. But yeah, letting women vote made an already terrible system worse on net.

Would be way better if we let goth chicks and only goth chicks vote.

No men would be required at that point.

nah, like you say, fuck that shit.

we have laws that were ironed out with millennia of debate in courts and adjudication. we don't need more laws, and that's the whole point of democracy is making more laws.

there is only really 10 laws, and that's all you need to make any judgement. everything else is just going to be color of law.

Amen. I simplify it to one law for dealing between people with the proper use of force: the nonaggression principle; and a law for morality called the Way, the Truth, and the Life. Same thing that the Objectivists believe in even though they claim God doesn't exist, ironically. They've discovered the Life but contradict themselves. You'd think they'd at least be agnostic. So there's plenty of hope for atheists, don't worry.

In Ireland they are trying to lower the voting age to 16 so that children fresh out of the indoctrination camps (state education) will vote for their globalist bullshit.

How about restricting the vote to men with property? Wouldn't that filter out all the losers in moms basement? Surely you dont want them making decisions.

Then go ahead and make it so only those with a masters degree can vote, that way you know they are the rational, thinking type.

I'm being somewhat sarcastic here.

i don't want any new stupid laws. there's perfectly good codes of laws that have existed for thousands of years that humans lived by.

as far as i'm concerned, every human capable of speaking their language (ie, anyone over 5 years of age) should be able to vote, if anyone is going to vote at all. if not, why not? then why not exclude others, etc etc etc.

it's a fraud. they just use democracy as a way to sell what they are going to eventually do anyway. the vote means nothing. they make sure enough people will eventually support it via various strategies. one way is to cause a problem and then offer a law to fix it. another is to offer an extreme form of a law, and then offer the diluted version that was always the plan. this is a common one in the last 30 years.

not only is voting a statistical fraud, so is the question of needing new laws.

almost always, new laws are to patch on top of old laws, which going down the stack eventually broke one of the old laws that everyone used to live by. over, and over and over again they make laws that break old laws, and then make new laws to fix the problem that the new law made, and the new law made a problem because it broke an old law, that predated parliaments and democracy.

democracy is just a shield for tyrants. tyrants break the customary and archaic laws to benefit themselves and their families and co-conspirators.

one of the uses of the laws now is to stop bitcoin from becoming adopted. they concoct all kinds of rules about it that seem on the surface to be about stopping crime but actually their real underlying purpose was to stop competitors to their money. the simplest example is legal tender laws. force people to pay tax in your coin and then you can issue as many of them as you want. this scam is at least as old as Rome, where that coin you had to pay in was constantly diluted in precious metal content so they could mint more.

all of this depended on a parliament and democracy to pull off. it didn't matter how many of the people could vote, or not, they just ram it through and if it fails to pass they hide it in something new and ram that through, and if that fails they send out agent provocateurs to cause a problem and then they offer a law that has the "solution" and then they win the vote and voila. tyranny 101.

No one should be able to vote anyway, that's a separate concern. But yes pick any random woman and any random man and on average at least 6 times out of 10 the woman will be more irrational and follow the consensus rather than reason, moreso than the man.

That still leaves a few women who are more rational than average. Those are the big titty goth bitches. Find yourself a girl like that.

the goths are the best, i would agree with that. unfortunately they tend to be atheists and not into marriage.

If you cone up with good enough arguments, some goth chicks will absolutely find their way to become amenable to those things.

Because again, they're just some of the most reasonable people lol!

yeah, this was why it was where i was hunting in my late 20s too. punks are not where it's at, they are also groupthinkers. goth means introspection. ie, talking to yourself, not to other people.

Heck yeah introspection!! There's a lot of potential in people like that. My friends are all like that, of course, and I try to help them see how great they are and encourage them to lean into their own reason to become ever more independent. It's a beautiful thing. So worth it.