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I thought the atheist position was, you are your physical body and that is all there is. Are you saying therefore the same or that we are concious having an experience occupying the body?

mike 6d ago

Atheists say there isn't a God, Religions say there is a God.

Agnostics say they don't know.

I don't know. And I mean that in a profound sense.

Most people are uncomfortable not knowing and so choose one of the two paths above. I am comfortable not knowing so don't need to choose a path.

I don't know if I have a body. My consciousness appears to be locked inside my skull along with my Brain.

My Brain has no knowledge of the outside world beyond that which is receives sensory inputs (touch, smell, sight, hearing etc..). I don't know if those sensory inputs are real or imagined.

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Cykros 6d ago

Most atheists I've spoken with use the term such that theists say there is a god, atheists don't say there is a god.

Giving overlap with most (all?) agnostics.

The other, so called 'hard' atheism being seen as obviously requiring just as much devout belief as the most dogmatic of religions.

Those are out there but in my experience it's often coming less from what I think of as 'serious' and more almost nihilistic, dare I say 'edge lord' stance. Or at least one that hasn't examined itself to recognize just how much belief they exhibit, not unlike a child's unquestioning belief the toothfairy IS real.

Where it becomes often easy to start pulling apart is when you ask such a person to define god in the first place. You'll often find a caricature standing in for he concept.

mike 6d ago

I'm not really looking to delve into the Religious ecosystem, so I will decline to comment on this, beyond the comment I'm making here, which is itself a comment and therefore proves me wrong 😂

𝕞ptf 6d ago

I agree with you and with most things cannot truly know without going outside the reference frame which is not possible.

However, objective reality and going back to first principles, we can know some things, and that is we cannot make something from nothing. Therefore, there must be a creator.

mike 6d ago

Who created the creator? 😱

𝕞ptf 6d ago

You agree the world is infinite like a russian doll? There can be no end.

mike 6d ago

Yes 😂

Which also means, at some point, everything was created out of nothing 😂

𝕞ptf 6d ago

There cannot exist No Thing, but it could mean we are all part of the whole.

Classic Rick and Morty... russian doll/micro verse.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTpQ71pgyHQ&t=9

mike 6d ago

Satire and comedy often show us the uncomfortable truth that philosophers fail to convey 😂