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Laeserin 4d ago 💬 40

Yeah, the China GDP is also totally fake.

Dictatorships always have garbage data because everyone lies to everyone, every steals from everyone, nobody admits mistakes, everyone passes the buck, and the central government dictates everything top-down.

That is why it's called a dictatorship: everything is decided by dictate. You could also call it a fiatship, I suppose.

This is the same reason why China can't risk war with Taiwan:

* It doesn't know how many soldiers it actually has. (fewer than it thinks)

* It doesn't know if those soldiers can react to battlefield conditions. (they can't)

* It doesn't know how many weapons and vehicles it actually has. (fewer than it thinks)

* It doesn't know if the stuff it does have, is complete, high-quality and in good repair. (it isn't)

* The Russian stuff it bought has been shown, in Ukraine, to be sorta shit, but it's own stuff has never been tried out in real battle conditions and is probably _way_ shittier. (it is)

* They have nukes, but their nuke department is so notoriously incompetent and corrupt, that one of the world's greatest dangers is that the Chinese accidentally nuke themselves. (not joking)

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StellarStoic 4d ago

Numbers are definitely manipulated but China did surpas the west technologically. They have vast veriaty of manpower. They have combat ready soldiers, they have the tech but the most we hear here in the west about them in maybe some news they have drills somewhere far away and in generally no pleb cares if they do.

In the other hand if you think why they might not be combat ready, is because they don't make conflicts for their own benefits like the US does, with their imperialistic mindset sending US soldiers to death based on sick lies they feed to the public.

I'm not protecting CCP here but they got their shit together minding their own business while the west is yet another manipulative, lie baded devil hunger for never ending expansion not so much for the land but the system change, resources and control.

Laeserin 4d ago

Wake me up when China has enough energy, clean water, and food, for its population.

Also, where did the girls go? 🥴

StellarStoic 4d ago

They fucked up with their one child policy.

Too bad we don't have people from #china here on nostr to hear their experiences first hand. All we might have are those escaping CCP claws and we already know what they have to tell about CCP 🤭

Knock, knock #china. Anyone here?

verbiricha 4d ago

There are a few chinese nostr developers if I'm not mistaken.

There's a lot of misinformation and propaganda about China, specially on the US and EU. I recommend this channel https://www.youtube.com/c/Adri%C3%A1nD%C3%ADazMarro for an outsider's perspective, he has been living and doing business in China for >20 years. Take everything with a grain of salt but I think his view is nuanced and accurate.

StellarStoic 4d ago

I'll take a look. Thanks 👍

Laeserin 4d ago

I have relatives that are regularly over there, as they have business dealings in China, and I also hear from them.

Laeserin 4d ago

My previous company had to order some parts from China, during COVID, as the local producer was overwhelmed with orders, and the safety-critical components _literally melted_ in the test. We had to throw away the entire batch.

They put those components in their cars, that's why we ordered from them.

verbiricha 4d ago

yikes. no wonder their cars are so cheap lol

Laeserin 4d ago

It's industrial corruption. Terrifyingly common. The screws were only _slightly_ smaller and lighter than the standard, but that increased the friction during rotation. You couldn't see the difference, with the naked eye.

And just try returning the boxes for a refund. 😅

Skim off tiny amounts of metal, from each screw, over millions of screws, and pocket the difference. Most people won't test them.

This is why European airplane part producers have to have databases for tracking the origins of every single part, right down to the screws. If someone reports a producer delivering sub-par screws, all of the planes need to be grounded, taken apart, and the screws have to be replaced. If an accident happens, they check all of the parts and sue the part manufacturers.

Or, like, a local software department works with some engineers within the same company, located in China. These are some of the best software engineers they have, but the mentality makes interaction burdensome, so they only get lower-criticality assignments. For instance, the department set an 80% test coverage goal, and the German engineers were embarrassed to admit that they hadn't even managed to reach 50%, after a year. Really terrible. The Chinese engineers hit 100% coverage. Wow. Amazing, right? Except that most of the tests were just:

```

Setup Test

#TBD

Teardown Test

```

They didn't realize that Germans software devs would read the code. But they have electrical engineers. They still read code.

Laeserin 4d ago

China is itself aware of how endemic the corruption is, and how badly it damages their military readiness. This is public record, even within China.

They saw what happened to Russia in Ukraine and got downright spooked, as they know that their own government _and industry_ is more corrupt than the Russian one.

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/politics/article/3250877/chinese-nuclear-fuel-engineer-li-guangchang-latest-corruption-net-clean-drive-high-risk-areas

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/10/18/china-expels-top-military-commanders-in-latest-anticorruption-purge

Laeserin 4d ago

We have some Chinese people, on here. I don't know if they want to go on record discussing the CCP, tho.

Laeserin 4d ago

Their military drills consist of prescripted plays, with a successful drill being judged according to how exactly the soldiers follow the playbook.

Laeserin 4d ago

Put it this way: Russian military > Chinese military

And we've all seen the Russian military in action. Just saying.

You can't simply take a westernized military, like Ukraine or Taiwan, and then align the statistics with a communistic/post-Soviet military, like Russia or China, and then say, "The reds have more, so they should easily win."

That is not how war works. And we have now had years to learn that, through observation. Everyone should now understand that.

Laeserin 4d ago

> they don't make conflicts for their own benefits like the US does... they got their shit together minding their own business

This isn't right. This isn't even wrong. Bizarre.

German GDP is also fake ... they include government employees wages in the GDP number. It's propaganda everywhere.

Laeserin 4d ago

Everyone includes them. The difference is that China includes the wages of employees that don't even exist.

dustygrooves 4d ago

How does anyone know nukes exist. All nuke info comes from govt and a worse man once said everything the govt says is a lie.

dustygrooves 4d ago

Wise*

Laeserin 4d ago

Sort of beyond the point that their data is garbage.

dustygrooves 4d ago

It was way beyond the point. I can’t help myself sometimes. Need to re engage self control lol.

David Cavan Fraser 4d ago

How is it that the Chinese government can’t know about various quantities and qualities and yet you can make definitive statements about them?

Laeserin 4d ago

Because you can cross-check their data with statistical data that is more independent and objective, from other sources. Like satellite imagery, import/export statistics, etc.

If those data sets correlate well across all surrounding or economically-similar countries, but produce less correlation there, then that is an indicator that there is some "there" there.

We can also tell a lot from other information that they publish not aligning or even being at odds with each other. Both cannot be correct.

David Cavan Fraser 4d ago

If you can do that cross checking why can’t the Chinese government ?

Laeserin 4d ago

They do. That's why they regularly have anti-corruption purges and etc., but that is not effective. You can't cure a centralized system's corruption with random controls. Controls are only to identify problems, not to fix them. That is a core rule of Quality Assurance (which we learned from the Japanese).

Also, you don't know if the people in the control functions are not also corrupt. This is a deep, cultural problem inherent to centralized systems, that any problem becomes endemic, so that even the auditors end up in one the game.

Decentralized systems are messier and more chaotic, and harder to steer, but problems from one section tend to not spread as quickly to the others.

David Cavan Fraser 4d ago

Side question: have you been to China?

Laeserin 4d ago

Nope.

I think it's an irrelevant question, tho. There is no evidence that a random Chinese resident would know any more about Chinese corruption than someone with decades of industrial experience interacting with Chinese suppliers, competitors, and coworkers, as both an internal auditor and tester.

I have a question for you:

Do you have any evidence to the contrary? Do you have proof that Chinese national statistics are reliable, and that the supply-chains and all levels of government are generally honest, efficient, and free of corruption?

David Cavan Fraser 4d ago

I believe two things: Chinese government is probably full of shit, to what extent relative to Europe or Canada or the usa? (I’m unsure)

Also You’re full of shit claiming to know the extent of the fullness of shit of Chinese government

Laeserin 4d ago

Okay, so you're just a troll.

David Cavan Fraser 4d ago

No, I’ve actually been to China though

Same vibe

https://relay.patrickulrich.com/9b765f5436dc756af65a2dd0d8fbc1d3cda8d2cac7c20a2fd37006b86c3b4423.mp4

David Cavan Fraser 4d ago

Having been to China (rural China) about 10 years ago and having family there

They’re doing better and things are improving there.

Heathcote, RN 4d ago

“Dictatorships always have garbage data because everyone lies to everyone, every steals from everyone, nobody admits mistakes, everyone passes the buck, and the central government dictates everything top-down”

* Looks around the Yookay

Laeserin 4d ago

Well, all governments are dictatorships, to some degree, but there are obviously more and less extreme examples, and we tend to give the less extreme examples different names.

Heathcote, RN 4d ago

Yookay is getting bad.

I don't know much about chinese statistics but i am fairly sure about a few things. Some chinese weapons have been tested in combat in the India-Pakistan conflict and they were effective enough at least. Russia produces more weapons than NATO and China has much more production capacity than Russia.

China has some issues with its navy but they are improving.

Most important in my opinion, China in general benefits more at this point without a conflict while getting stronger meanwhile.

Laeserin 4d ago 💬 1

Oh, I wasn't suggesting that a conflict would be beneficial. I also don't know, if the government has enough public backing to launch a war, anyway.

I'm just suggesting that they know their data is overly optimistic, so they're probably taking that into account.

The India-Pakistan conflicts didn't really try Chinese equipment against Western equipment, I think. Don't India and Pakistan both buy from Russia?

Hard to say, given how hush hush the Chinese government is when it comes to statistics... of all sorts.

Can't speak on behalf of the India-Pakistan wars. But yes, i know that both sides have been purchasing from Russia for some time; India much longer.

Pakistan had USA weapons mainly in the past, but that has changed to the favor of China. There were plenty of evidence that Pakistan used chinese weapons during this conflict. Here is an example from western press

https://www.independent.co.uk/asia/china/india-pakistan-conflict-china-jets-b2867936.html

StellarStoic 4d ago

Something to consider...

https://video.nostr.build/a3c03037b678f1b1fc8120ced95dbd664fa006da26cc491a068ff16fe1f59876.mp4

Laeserin 4d ago

Yeah, cost of living in the USA is high, in some states, and California is the worst of the worst.

Most GDPs are fabricated. Chinese armaments are as cheaply and poorly made as everything that they export to foreign nations.