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Except that "The Holy Roman Catholic Church" literally became The State and that's anathema to God's clearly outlined plan for an ekklesia of believers.

Yes, the Church is fractured and divided. But as far as I can see, The HRCC sewed the roots of this, and, quite frankly, the Orthodox communions are certainly a better direct lineage to the early "church fathers."

I'll admit to being a recovering Protestant. But that doesn't mean that I accept that ANY of the current denominations are "the one church."

So... I'll keep arguing for Truth. And if that's a problem, God will have to stop me Himself. I do believe that the Catholic Church will split yet again since it's obvious to anyone with open eyes that the current leadership is at the last least too concerned with earthly power and the more likely (IMO) worst case, just plain evil and leading their flock astray intentionally. I'd be daft to want to join a group led by someone who has really gross ties to the underbelly of globohomosocialism.

Daniel Wigton 1mo ago 💬 1

I dispute that your eyes are truly open to the current leadership. Have you met any of them? Have you really looked at what they are saying? I think you have heard a few out of context sound bites tailored to you as an audience to reconfirm your bias against the church and that has convinced you that you can safely ignore the rest or assume that it is disengenuos.

Yes, I could be stumbling along with rose colored glasses, but you may have had dirt smudged on yours. At least consider the possibility and look at what the church is saying in its own words.

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The Beave 1mo ago 💬 1

Well, sure. I will never claim to know the while truth. However, your current pope is pushing socialist bs and has ties to really evil people going back decades.

A more recent example is the Muslim prayer room. That's just idiotic.

I'll respond more thoroughly when I'm done with work for the day.

MAHDOOD 1mo ago 💬 1

Religion is socialist lmao you’re expected to give your money to the church so they can pocket most and give some back to the poor

The Beave 1mo ago 💬 2

Religion, yes. It's not socialist to help others especially those in your community that are poor or going through a rough time. It is your responsibility to do so, in fact. Personally. Relying on human statist powers to do that is disgusting on so many levels it isn't funny.

Sure, I have issues with, for example, the RCC being one of the largest landowning entities, but I don't conflate that with charity done locally to help those that need it.

MAHDOOD 1mo ago

But religion requires it. I’ll help when I want to not because I’m forced to. Your cope sounds just like libtard socialists.

Daniel Wigton 0mo ago 💬 3

Saying religion requires it is like saying decency requires it. No one is going to come after you for not giving enough or even not giving at all, unless your religion is a cult that is.

Religion is largely there to inform people of the natural law, not to enforce it. The nice thing about the natural law is that it is self-enforcing. If you don't want to run a foul of it, it is nice to have some guides.

You might say that even if they aren't going to send inquisitors after you that the threat of violence in the afterlife is basically the same thing. Using psychological harm to enforce compliance.

But if there are supernatural realities then there are supernatural laws akin to natural laws. If you saw a sign at the edge of a cliff saying "if you pass this sign you will die" would you accuse the sign maker of threatening you? Death is simply a natural consequence of sudden deceleration.

Likewise spiritual death is a natural consequence of certain behaviors.

Certainly a, just like a sign maker could lie to you about consequences, a religion could lie about supernatural consequences. But the reason the lie works is because it is adjacent to the truth.

MAHDOOD 0mo ago

What’s the difference between a religion and a cult besides the perception that one is legitimate because of large following?

The reason the lie works is because the ones who disagreed were killed. Religions didn’t spread peacefully.

Daniel Wigton 3w ago 💬 1

I'd amend that to "Religions don't always spread peacefully" because the vast majority of Christian conversions were peaceful. For the first 300 years it was join AND die not join or die. Contrary to what most believe, after Constantine legalized it, there weren't any forced conversions. Most of the empire including Constantine himself did not convert. Even after the Emperors were Christian they still coexisted peacefully with pagans and the number in significant government positions roughly reflected the population demographics.

That isn't to say that there haven't been horrors, but to say Christianity has spread mainly through violence is ahistorical.

MAHDOOD 3w ago

When the religion gets sufficient power, it shifts the initial peaceful approach to more effective means of gaining followers

Daniel Wigton 3w ago 💬 1

Well cult can mean a few things. It can just mean a particular religious devotion, so sure large religions can be cults. But here I'd associate it with certain psychological techniques to keep people in line.

- shunning those who leave.

- shaming those who don't do as they are told

- restrictions on basic freedoms of movement and association.

MAHDOOD 3w ago

All religions that I’m aware of use those same techniques